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Skriven 2008-01-09 13:39:39 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
   Kommentar till text 9663 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Holloway
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08 Jan 08 21:19, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> Hmmm... that sounds like what Joram van der Sloot is saying
 MvdV>>> now,

 RW>> What could be called 'false arrest' here. That's why the collected
 RW>> evidence against a suspect has to be provided to the prosecution
 RW>> before any arrest is made here.

 MvdV> Same here. The evidence has to be presented to a judge.

Not quite the same then. The prosecutor here is what we term as the
District Attorney. Which isn't to be confused with the Attorney General of
a state or the fed government. Although they do the same job, just on
different levels.

 MvdV> It is the judge that issues the waarant for the arrest.

The DA, or an assistant DA will have the suspect arrested and present the
suspect and the charges to a judge, who may or may not remand the suspect
for trial. The DA in these cases know what can and cannot be presented as
evidence and won't nesessarily prosecute with the evidence in hand.

 MvdV> However, the judge issuing the warrant is not the same as the judge
 MvdV> that will eventually rule in court. The court may rule that the
 MvdV> arrest was unwarranted after all...

Sorta what we have above.

 MvdV>>>>> Very few people know ofhand what they did or where they were
 MvdV>>>>> on a random date over two years ago. "No idea"is the normal
 MvdV>>>>> reaction of any one not involved.

 RW>>>> OTH, I do because my wife makes it a point to keep a diary.

 MvdV>>> That could have been fabricated after the fact...

 RW>> It's in there now, which is/was before I MIGHT have been a suspect.

 MvdV> If you did it, you took into account that you might become a
 MvdV> suspect some day.

Since I didn't do it, there was no need to cover my tracks.

 MvdV>>> Same here. I have never been to Aruba. But that is merely a
 MvdV>>> statement, not an alibi. You asked for my alibi and that means
 MvdV>>> I will have to tell you were I was that night. And it should be
 MvdV>>> verifyable. So that it proves I was not on Aruba.

 RW>> Actually, if your legal system were that of a free nation, the
 RW>> prosecution would have to prove you are lying. The burden of proof
 RW>> is on the accuser.

 MvdV> Exactly. I do not have an alibi, but tat does not bother me as the
 MvdV> burden of proof is still on the prosecution. *They* have to prove I
 MvdV> was there, not the other way around.

 RW>>>> Whiskey barrels are owned by the distiller here. They  have to
 RW>>>> be returned to them when they're empty.

 MvdV>>> People who kill people and put them in barrels tend not to be
 MvdV>>> inhibited by rles like that.

 RW>> Sure. And then they've given the investigators a clue as to who may
 RW>> have murdered someone. They have to sign for the whiskey barrel

 MvdV> Sure. What if the signee is bonafide and the barrel was stolen from
 MvdV> him?

That would come out in the investigation. Of course, being the signee does
put some suspicion on him, but if he reported the item stolen, then he's
not as suspicious if he didn't.

 MvdV>>> So you think it is not completetly impossible that she
 MvdV>>> dispapperead to get away from her parents.

 RW>> There's no proof that she would have wanted to.

 MvdV> There is no proof to the contrary either.

Her history with the family says otherwise.

 RW>>>>>> She certainly didn't deserve the treatment she got in Aruba.

 MvdV>>>>> What treatment?

 RW>>>> Her murder...

 MvdV>>> There is no evidence that a murder took place.

 RW>> There is no evidence that she ran off and hid from everyone either.

 MvdV> No, but the fact that she disappeared in undisputed. A run away is
 MvdV> just as good an explanation for het disappearence as foul play.

But more likely to have become a victim of one or all of the three
suspects.

 MvdV>>> They don't get F16s flown over to Aruba. Dutch F16 have been
 MvdV>>> deployed to search for missing teenagers before, but only
 MvdV>>> within the country. Never overseas. Why did the US air force no
 MvdV>>> provuide for the F16s. They are much closer and probably have
 MvdV>>> superior euqipmnet to boot..

 RW>> Because then you would say that the American F-16s and their
 RW>> equipment and pilots are inferior to yours...

 MvdV> I have no reason to say that.

Then you are disagreeing with what Doosche says about the superiority of
the Euro produced F16s...

 MvdV> I was not the one demanding F16s be deployed in the first place.
 MvdV> Had I been asked I would have said: it is a waste of resources.

Only because you're a penny pincher.

 MvdV>>> Complaing there would be no trial when you are in jail in the
 MvdV>>> prelude for a trial, protesting there wil be no one is
 MvdV>>> premature isn't it?

 RW>> No...he knew that the prosecutor was hoping to get him to confess
 RW>> when faced with the same old evidence, because his lawyer had
 RW>> already seen it and told vd Sloot not to admit to anything. They
 RW>> concocted the 'trial' bs to make it sound good.

 MvdV> A show to satisfy the (American) media.

BS. The case is so old, the media has nearly stopped any coverage. What we
call 'back page news'...

 MvdV>>>>> As it is, he considers going for compensation for unjust
 MvdV>>>>> detention. I think he has a good leg to stand on....

 RW>>>> Good idea, charge the dutch taxpayer twice for his crime.

 MvdV>>> He did no say it would be the Dutch taxpayer he would sue.
 MvdV>>> maybe he meant the Holloway family. The sued him before(and
 MvdV>>> lost) , maybe he is thinking of a countersuit.

 RW>> Wouldn't do him any good. Aruban and/or Dutch courts have no
 RW>> jusrisdiction here.

 MvdV> He could sue Holloway's parents in a *US* court.

He'd surely lose both the suit brought against the parents and the counter
suit they'd bring against him. A win-win situation for the parents.

 RW>>>> Dutch blood does run in my veins.

 MvdV>>> Prove it.

 RW>> I'm almost as stubborn as you are.

 MvdV> That's not proof of Ducth blood.

That's not what I've been told.

 RW>> You're more stubborn than I, because your blood hasn't been mixed
 RW>> with; German,

 MvdV> My grandmother (father's side) was of German descent.

Which is where you got your inteligence.

 RW>> English, Polish, Welsh or Black Foot Native American.

 MvdV> Only the Black foot is missing. For compensation there is French
 MvdV> and Spanish blood.

That's where you get your hot blooded temper.

                R\%/itt



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