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  Kommentar till text 10310 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
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09 Sep 10 11:19, Ward Dossche wrote to Dale Shipp:


 DS>> WD> EP1 and P4 have been developped during a time when growth
 DS>> WD> of Fidonet was a daily matter and nobody had any idea where
 DS>> WD> it was going to.

 DS>> And do you believe that EP1 is a currently accepted policy in zone 2
 DS>> as Michiel claims of you?

 WD> "Believing" is something you do in a church. Believing means "Not
 WD> knowing but taking for granted because someone else has told you so".

"I believe the left fork in the road will get us to Las Vegas before you
do." This based on knowledge of the road map, but not necessarily studying
it while in church.

 WD> EP1 and P4 are interesting guidelines to live by to make this hobby
 WD> work, however one needs to consider that at least one of these was
 WD> forced down our throats basically on the the threat that "... or else
 WD> you'll lose a good thing!" meaning cut-off from worldwide
 WD> mail-distribution which mainly was run and decided in ...you guessed
 WD> it ... zone-1 without any concern of the feelings, ideas, wishes,
 WD> whatever from other zones.

In any way you wish to state it, no one twisted your arm to accept either
of them. You did that voluntarily and then dictated it to Z2ers.

 WD> It is best described by the wording taken out of EP1 which states:

 WD>   "V.18. ... This is not intended to discourage participation of
 WD> foreign
 WD>   zones or networks, which may permit said characters."

 WD> Think about it ... what is a "foreign zone"? From our point of view
 WD> zone-2 certainly is not foreign at all. The wording alone implies a
 WD> lot of things and whoever is open to it can read a lot of things in
 WD> it.

And that being the case; why was the above allowed to remain in EP1? Don't
you have at least one person in Z2 who can edit a proposed policy?

 WD> Other than that, the same paragraph has a major goof. It says
 WD> verbatin "ASCII 128-255" ... there is no such thing. But when reading
 WD> the whole paragraph in its absolute meaning, then we come to the
 WD> situation that:

 WD> 1) Higher-ASCII 128-255 cannot be used in Zone-1 (for which this
 WD> document obviously was intended)

Written by a power hungry nut-case who never got Z1 *Cs to accept it.

 WD> 2) Other zones than "1" can perfectly use high-ascii 128-255. But ...
 WD> we don't exactly know what a "foreign" zone is, and if we don't know
 WD> that then we have no idea whichone the "not foreign zone" is. We can
 WD> only assume.

Better yet, you could have surmised by the author's origin where it was
intended to be implemented. Therefore, Z2 should have edited the policy to
suit a non-foreign zone. Or better yet, forgotten it all together.

 WD> 3) Echomailprocessors are not allowed to strip non-standard
 WD> characters, they must be passed "as is"

The author of EP1 had an echomail processor that was capable of doing
that. I have a copy of it here.

 WD> 4) Conclusion: zone-1 echomailprocessors must pass zone-2 high-ascii
 WD> messages unaltered but by doing so are in breach with the non
 WD> high-ascii rule from 1).

Which as you know, EP1 was not being used in Z1, therefore what was
Z2's problem?

 WD> My opinion is that there was a brain-lapse occuring when that was
 WD> invented, whether it was a temporary or permanent brain-lapse I
 WD> cannot say.

Wasn't it about the time that Z2 came into being? At least recognized by
the originating zone?

 WD> Now I'm going to have some fresh coffee ... real coffee ... not
 WD> roasted hazelnut with a scent of vanilla and still call it coffee.
 WD> Just allow me to say that Starbucks sucks.

We agree...(Nancy and I) McDonalds and Jack-in-the-Box makes better
coffee. Costs less too.

                R\%/itt

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