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Skriven 2010-11-13 00:58:12 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel Van Der Vlist
Ärende: Re: Enemy of the State (
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 -=> On 11-12-10  16:27,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Enemy of the State ( <=-

 MVDV> The fact that you refuse to answer is relevant. It 
 MVDV> demonstrates that you have semething to hide.
 
Like most people, there are many things that I do not wish to become
subject to public knowledge and I control what I allow to become public
and I also control who I trust with my information.  I've never said I
had nothing to hide, but what I am saying is that I am not so paranoid
that I choose to not utilize services that are useful to me just because
some limited information is shared with outside parties.  I do choose to
use credit cards for the reasons previously stated, and I do choose to
use the telephone, and I do choose to use the internet, and I do choose
to use email.  In each of those cases, I do so because the benefits to
me outweigh the potential disadvantages.  Your mileage may differ.


 DS> I have not said that a person does not have a right to privacy -- they
 DS> do.  What I am saying is that there is no need to be so ultra
 DS> sensitive about records of transactions that are between you and the
 DS> companies you deal with.  Those records are not public knowledge, and
 DS> have little chance of becoming disclosed outside of the intended set
 DS> of people.

 MVDV> You are naive.

You have no clue.

 MVDV> Computer controlled telephone exchanges changed that. It became
 MVDV> possible to  log all calls. Numbers called and duration. A great help 
 MVDV> for resolving disputes. Some were concerned about privacy. 
 MVDV> After all, itis nobody's bussiness who I call and how long. 
 MVDV> The phone companies made sollumn promises thet stored data 
 MVDV> would only be used for resolving disputes over the bill and 
 MVDV> that they would be kept no longer than needed for that 
 MVDV> purpose.

 MVDV> But then the spooks thought they could mine those call 
 MVDV> records to find bad guys. So they managed to get the law 
 MVDV> changed so that the telcos are now obligated to keep the 
 MVDV> call records for 10 years and make then available to law 
 MVDV> enforcement. And so it happened.

So your response would be that you should only use letters and carrier
pigeons to communicate?  You have a problem with legitimate law
enforcement catching and prosecuting criminals?  The type of access you
are hinting at requires vetting by a judicial procedure.

 MVDV> Amd now the same thing is happening with bank data.

 MVDV> If you believe your transaction records are between you and 
 MVDV> the bank, dream on.

No dream, it is the way it is -- until a judge grants a warrant for
access.  That is only done on probable cause.  The same conditions apply
to information stored on your home computer.  Hence the same logic says
that you should not use it either?

Get back to the primary statement.

When I compare the pros and cons of credit card versus cash, for me the
credit card wins hands down.  The only time I would use cash is when the
merchant does not accept a credit card.

If your situation and priorities are different, so be it.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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