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  Kommentar till text 13206 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Assange on the "No Fly" list
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15 Dec 10 21:14, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> On the contrary. GB isn't a EU country

 MvdV>>> Wrong.

 RW>> Not exactly...

 MvdV> Wrong.  GB is a fully fledged EU member

A full fledged member wouldn't have exceptions to the rule.

 MvdV> As an EU member the UJK is bound by the Lisbon treatey which
 MvdV> proivides for a European arrest warrant and extradition rules.

Not exactly...

 RW>> A number of states are less integrated into the EU than others. In
 RW>> most cases this is because those states have gained an opt-out from
 RW>> a certain policy area. The most notable is the opt-out from the
 RW>> Economic and Monetary Union, the adoption of the euro as sole legal
 RW>> currency.

 MvdV> Wrong.

 MvdV> The monetairy union (Eurozone) is not the same as the Europeam
 MvdV> Union. Nobody ever "opted out" of the monetary union.

LOL! So that's why the UK still uses their British Sterling monetary
system instead of the Euro.

 RW>> Most states outside the Eurozone are obliged to adopt the euro
 RW>> when they are ready,

 MvdV> Wrong again. There never was such an obligation.

Perhaps not, but the following surely has something to do with why the UK
Sveden and Denmark didn't adapt the Euro.

"The NCBs (The EU's National Central Banks) are the issuers of notes and
coins - euro ones if the country is in the eurozone, or national legal
tender if it is not. All the euro notes appear identical, whilst the coins
have national characteristics, but the curiosity is that the euro notes
bear no words, just the abbreviation ECB in several languages, the word
Euro and a signature with no name against it. There is a degree of
obfuscation."

 RW>> but Denmark and the United Kingdom (and Sweden in an informal
 RW>> manner) have obtained the right to retain their own independent
 RW>> currencies.

 MvdV> There was never any obligation for EU members to join the monetairy
 MvdV> union. Some choose to apply, some just choose not to.

The words above are a conclusion garnered from a similar statement and one
can draw from it the writer's opinion that there must have been some
obligation to manuever out of.

 MvdV> In theory it os possible that a non EU member joins the monetary
 MvdV> union. Swtiserland may be a such a candidate.

And The former Yugoslavian states?

 RW>> Ireland and the United Kingdom also do not participate in the
 RW>> Schengen Agreement.

 MvdV> But Switserland (not an EU member) does...

Images of German Jewish refugees dance in his head.

 RW>> If a state isn't fully entegrated into the EU, they can't be thought
 RW>> of as a full member of it until it conforms to each directive.

 MvdV> Thibk what you want. GB is is full member and therefoe bound by the
 MvdV> EU extradition rules.

Unless they have a previous agreement with someone else.

 RW>>>> and has extradition laws commenserate with the USA. Pushed hard
 RW>>>> enough the Brits will give him up.

 MvdV>>> I doubt that. I think the US will find that even the British
 MvdV>>> are a tad tired of being pushed by the Americans.

 RW>> You may be surprised by what they'll do when a staunch ally asks.

 MvdV> You may be surprised how inventive UK lawyers are when they want to
 MvdV> stop an extradition to the US...

 MvdV> Google for "Gary McKinnon"...

:o)

"McKinnon Loses, but Faint Hope Still Exists - (Friday- Noon-November 27,
2009) Janis Sharp, Gary McKinnon's mother put on Twitter this morning that
Gary's lawyer says there is still hope that McKinnon will not be
extradited but if it is up to the British Government he will be gone
within 7 days - before Christmas is the best guest by some legal experts."

"Gary McKinnon controversy spills over to UK politics with liberal MP
quitting in disgust over Parliament's refusal to change the extradition
treaty signed with the US which came to light in the McKinnon controversy"


McKinnon can thank Assange for the US's refusal in his extradition.

http://tinyurl.com/28s3ned

Wikileaks: US 'no deal' to Gordon Brown's plea to keep Scots hacker in UK
Premium Article !

Published Date: 01 December 2010
By DAVID MADDOX

 MvdV>>> To get Assange extradited from the UK to the US, the US will
 MvdV>>> have to convinve a British court that:

 RW>> Wrong.

 MvdV> Or so you think....

It seems that all that will be needed is for the UK PM to work on this
case too.


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