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Peter,

PK> Its reported here (NZ) that the Calisi virus is no longer working, that
PK> Rabbits are building up the numbers again... At least down south that
PK> seems to be the situation...

There's a damn good recipe here for rabbit-stew with Belgian dark beer.

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On 5/01/11 10:26 AM, Peter Knapper -> David Drummond wrote:

 RW>> Or rabbits!

 DD>> The Calisi virus fixed most of those, they're not a problem anymore.

 PK> Its reported here (NZ) that the Calisi virus is no longer working, that
 PK> Rabbits are building up the numbers again... At least down south that
 PK> seems to be the situation...

The robust kiwi strain (of rabbits)?

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On 4/01/11 10:56 AM, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> On the subject of downpours, Queensland (the state of my abode)
 WD> currently
 DD>> has a flooded area larger than the total area of the next state to our
 DD>> south, New South Wales. The area of New South Wales is 800,642 km2.

 WD> I read somewhere there are now issues with salt water crocs going to
 WD> places where they normally aren't to be found.

 WD> Any truth to that?

Not this far south anyway - it's too cold for them to function properly.

I suspect they might be a problem around Darwin in the far north - but they
always have a croc problem there.

 DD>> A quick check on the Web tells me that Belgium has a total area of
 WD> 30,528 km2.

 WD> Yes, it's an anthill here, we're all living on top of eachother.

We'll send you some echidnas.

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DD>WD> Yes, it's an anthill here, we're all living on top of eachother.

DD> We'll send you some echidnas.

Hmmmm ... "Tastes just like chicken ..."

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Hi Ward,

PK> Its reported here (NZ) that the Calisi virus is no
PK> longer working, that
PK> Rabbits are building up the numbers again... At least down south that
PK> seems to be the situation...

 WD> There's a damn good recipe here for rabbit-stew with Belgian dark beer.

I can't say that I am that partial to Rabbit in any form......;-(


Cheers..........pk.


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Hi David,

 DD>> The Calisi virus fixed most of those, they're not a problem anymore.

 PK> Its reported here (NZ) that the Calisi virus is no
 PK> longer working, that
 PK> Rabbits are building up the numbers again... At least down south that
 PK> seems to be the situation...

 DD> The robust kiwi strain (of rabbits)?

Sadly, I dont think that has much to do with it, just that an anti-virus would
eventually be bred into the young resulting in an autoimune capapbility. IE it
was only ever a short term solution to the problem.

Cheers...................pk.


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04 Jan 11 21:31, Paul Quinn wrote to David Drummond:

 DD>> On the subject of downpours, Queensland (the state of my abode)
 DD>> currently has a flooded area larger than the total area of the next
 DD>> state to our south, New South Wales. The area of New South Wales is
 DD>> 800,642 km2.

 DD>> A quick check on the Web tells me that Belgium has a total area of
 DD>> 30,528 km2.

 PQ> I read an item on the BBC website yesterday that mumbled something
 PQ> about the flooded area being equal to the landmass of France &
 PQ> Germany combined.

The same was reported in our local news. France and Germany make up 904051
km2s...that's a lot of territory.

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04 Jan 11 21:33, David Drummond wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB>>>> Who needs snow?

 DD>>> This was taken between downpours in Australia...

 RW>> Are you on the Arc or in the water?

 DD> Neither - I'm on one of the dry bits of land.

Surrounded by water, or can you leave that area?

 DD>>> * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)

 DD> Maryborough is about 3 hours north of here - just south of one of the
 DD> seriously flooded areas.

Looks like a tropical rain forest in the photos of it on the web.

(Wangoolba creek, Fraser island)...


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04 Jan 11 21:34, David Drummond wrote to Roy Witt:

 DD>>>> This was taken between downpours in Australia...

 WD>>> Always trouble with Australia ... if it isn't a downpour, then it's
 WD>>> a plane that doesn't manage to stay aloft.

 RW>> Or rabbits!

 DD> The Calisi virus fixed most of those, they're not a problem anymore.


I knew that, but the rabbits were a big problem in the past.


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05 Jan 11 19:14, Ward Dossche wrote to David Drummond:


 DD>> WD> Yes, it's an anthill here, we're all living on top of eachother.

 DD>> We'll send you some echidnas.

 WD> Hmmmm ... "Tastes just like chicken ..."

More like porcupine...


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RW>DD>> We'll send you some echidnas.

RW>WD> Hmmmm ... "Tastes just like chicken ..."

RW> More like porcupine...

Whatever ... my daughter was in Fort Collins CO last week and in the local
Burger King they ran out of meat ... only chicken.

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A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state budget cut
has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the coverage reduction.

The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a liver
transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants on Oct. 1 under cuts included
to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last spring.

Am I glad I'm not sbjected to this kind of lunacy.

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And ... BTW ... the Governor of Arizona's name is "Kyl".

Of course ... a RepubliCrook.

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 WD> Am I glad I'm not subjected to this kind of lunacy.

   Don't gloat too soon. The "spend all your resources on the war on terrorism"
-- AKA give all your money, and waver your freedom, to the agencies and
companies that assure you they will provide you with the blanket of security
that you demand -- has spread globally like wild fire and will reach even your
little duck pond eventually (if it hasn't already).

   Unless, of course, all of us that long ago realized that good ol' IKE was
right 50 odd years ago when he warned the world about the US
military-industrial complex, are joining forces and fight back...

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On 5/01/11 12:38 AM, Roy Witt -> David Drummond wrote:

 RW> 04 Jan 11 21:33, David Drummond wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB>>>>> Who needs snow?

 DD>>>> This was taken between downpours in Australia...

 RW>>> Are you on the Arc or in the water?

 DD>> Neither - I'm on one of the dry bits of land.

 RW> Surrounded by water, or can you leave that area?

I spent the Christmas/New Year period in the Bundaberg area, with all roads cut
off. Now I'm home in Brisbane where we have only minor flooding.

 DD>>>> * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)

 DD>> Maryborough is about 3 hours north of here - just south of one of the
 DD>> seriously flooded areas.

 RW> Looks like a tropical rain forest in the photos of it on the web.

 RW> (Wangoolba creek, Fraser island)...

Fraser Island is a large sand island with tropical forest growing on part of
it.

Maryborough is on the mainland. The forests there were harvested years ago.
Nothing of interest there anymore (other than our local RC).

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Ward Dossche wrote to All on Thursday January 06 2011 at 10:44:

WD> A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state
WD> budget cut has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the
WD> coverage reduction.

WD> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a liver
WD> transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

WD> Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants on Oct. 1 under cuts
WD> included to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last
WD> spring.

Guess you have to be Steven Jobs for such stuff... at least in the States (if
you choose to be treated there).

WD> Am I glad I'm not sbjected to this kind of lunacy.

Well... unfortunately, things like this can happen to you in the EU too, if not
for budget reasons, then because there are so few people willing to serve as
organ donors. The only certain (and relatively inexpensive) way to get a
transplant is to take a nice visit to India or China (maybe Vietnam nowadays,
too), where the excellent doctors will treat you as a premium patient for less
than you would pay for basic medical care here in Europe - air fare and hotel
bills thrown in for free.

Naturally - horrors, horrors - completely illegal in the EU, but if you're
alive instead of dead, that won't bother you much.

The only difference between our situatiuon and that in Arizona is that theirs
gets into the news.

Cheers, Bob

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 [ On 2011-01-06 at 10:44:44, Ward Dossche wrote to All ]

 WD> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a liver
 WD> transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

Unless available organs are going to waste because the state can't afford to
transplant them, I'm not seeing the problem here?


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SL> Unless available organs are going to waste because the state can't afford
SL> to transplant them, I'm not seeing the problem here?

Overhere, Scott ... in the civilised world ... budget concerns are not an issue
to decide whether or not the system can afford tranplants.

The system is set up as such that it can and will afford them ... even if the
person requiring it is a gutter-dweller.

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06 Jan 11 10:32, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> DD>> We'll send you some echidnas.

 RW>> WD> Hmmmm ... "Tastes just like chicken ..."

 RW>> More like porcupine...

 WD> Whatever ... my daughter was in Fort Collins CO last week and in the
 WD> local Burger King they ran out of meat ... only chicken.

That's a wonder. No one ever goes to BK, unless that's all that was open. If
she had it, she was better off with the chicken there.

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06 Jan 11 10:44, Ward Dossche wrote to All:

 WD> A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state
 WD> budget cut has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the
 WD> coverage reduction.

With Arizona being overrun by illegal allens, they have to put more money
towards enforcing that problem, because the US Government isn't doing it's job
in keeping the border secure.

 WD> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a
 WD> liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

Most people who suffer from Hc get it from using drugs intravenously. Dirty
needles come into play there. Not much sympathy for drug users in government.

 WD> Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants on Oct. 1 under
 WD> cuts included to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted
 WD> last spring.

Well, most states are doing that because of the recession. The Prez and his
litter ran up the deficit so much that they can't afford to give the states the
money they used to get for this. California is on the verge of bankruptcy and
is increasing all kinds of taxes and fees in an attempt to keep itself afloat.
This is not unlike Greece or Ireland.

Their problem will be when it comes to a vote to bail them out, they may not
get a positive vote on it. If you want to see what the US government will be
like in a few years, all you have to do is take a look at the most liberally
run state (California) in the union.

One day your bank account is worth $100,000 and when you wake up the next day,
it's only worth $10,000 in Patriot Dollars.

 WD> Am I glad I'm not sbjected to this kind of lunacy.

I wonder if your EU medical system would cover a self-inflicted desease like AZ
used to do.

Reluctantly, perhaps.

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06 Jan 11 11:08, Ward Dossche wrote to All:

 WD> And ... BTW ... the Governor of Arizona's name is "Kyl".

 WD> Of course ... a RepubliCrook.

Wrong! The governor of AZ is Jan Brewer, a female and a Republican...Kyl is one
of the states two Republican US Senators. Kyle has nothing to do with what the
state does, he serves in the US Senate, representing AZ.

A lot of the Demar-crooks got booted out of the US Senate in November.


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06 Jan 11 21:44, David Drummond wrote to Roy Witt:

 DD>>> Neither - I'm on one of the dry bits of land.

 RW>> Surrounded by water, or can you leave that area?

 DD> I spent the Christmas/New Year period in the Bundaberg area, with all
 DD> roads cut off. Now I'm home in Brisbane where we have only minor
 DD> flooding.

Keep dry.

http://tinyurl.com/2f4esfh

Know any of these guys?

 DD>>>>> * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)

 DD>>> Maryborough is about 3 hours north of here - just south of one of
 DD>>> the seriously flooded areas.

 RW>> Looks like a tropical rain forest in the photos of it on the web.

 RW>> (Wangoolba creek, Fraser island)...

 DD> Fraser Island is a large sand island with tropical forest growing on
 DD> part of it.

That's what I thought.

 DD> Maryborough is on the mainland. The forests there were harvested
 DD> years ago. Nothing of interest there anymore (other than our local
 DD> RC).

There's a few Harley riders there...from the air it looks like a decent place
to be.

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07 Jan 11 03:27, Scott Little wrote to Ward Dossche:

 WD>> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a
 WD>> liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

 SL> Unless available organs are going to waste because the state can't
 SL> afford to transplant them, I'm not seeing the problem here?

There is a waiting list for people who need a liver transplant. The
availability of organs is so low that those needing one are put on a list.

The list is supposed to be by 'need' first. But not always, as some people with
money can buy their way to the top of the list. One such person was Steve Jobs,
Apple Computer guru and Jim Nabors, a TV celebrity here. One such list here:
http://www.nndb.com/event/048/000116697/

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Replying to a message of Ward Dossche to All:

 WD> A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state
 WD> budget cut has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the
 WD> coverage reduction.

 WD> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a liver
 WD> transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

 WD> Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants on Oct. 1 under cuts
 WD> included to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last
 WD> spring.

 WD> Am I glad I'm not sbjected to this kind of lunacy.

It must be nice to live someplace where medical professionals cheerfully work
for nothing, medical suppliers provide those supplies free of charge, and
utility
companies (and cities) don't charge hospitals and clinics for power and water.

The bottom line, Ward, is that somebody, someplace is paying for that care.
Including paying the help, paying for utilities, medical supplies, equipment
and
pharmaceuticals.  I seriously doubt that everybody in Belgium who needs an
organ
transplant gets one, or FTM that everybody in Belgium who needs some expen$ive
medical
procedure/intervention gets it.  I suspect that even those countries that
(supposedly)
provide free or low cost care to their citizens have similar stories - they
just don't
make the news because the media is (or isn't) pushing a specific agenda - which
in
the case of the above story it was.

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-=> Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt <=-

 WD> Whatever ... my daughter was in Fort Collins CO last week and in the
 WD> local Burger King they ran out of meat ... only chicken.



"What do you mean you don't eat MEAT? That's Ok, I make lamb..."


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Bob,

It appears that you have tried to send me netmail. As I am no longer nodelist I
don't have my own net/node address, and it seems that I cannot get netmail from
the node that feeds me my echo mail.

My email domain is jabberwocky.com.au

My mailboxname is ddrummond

I'm sure you can connect those two together to make a workable email address :)

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David

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On 6/01/11 12:15 AM, Roy Witt -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>>>> Neither - I'm on one of the dry bits of land.

 RW>>> Surrounded by water, or can you leave that area?

 DD>> I spent the Christmas/New Year period in the Bundaberg area, with all
 DD>> roads cut off. Now I'm home in Brisbane where we have only minor
 DD>> flooding.

 RW> Keep dry.

 RW> http://tinyurl.com/2f4esfh

 RW> Know any of these guys?

Nope - I don't ride a Harley so these fellows don't want to socialise with my
type. The numberplate on the bike doesn't look to be from this state.

Going by the logo on some of the t-shirts it does appear that we have a common
interest in Bundaberg Rum, one of the major exports of the Bundaberg area.

 DD>>>>>> * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)

 DD>>>> Maryborough is about 3 hours north of here - just south of one of
 DD>>>> the seriously flooded areas.

 RW>>> Looks like a tropical rain forest in the photos of it on the web.

 RW>>> (Wangoolba creek, Fraser island)...

 DD>> Fraser Island is a large sand island with tropical forest growing on
 DD>> part of it.

 RW> That's what I thought.

 DD>> Maryborough is on the mainland. The forests there were harvested
 DD>> years ago. Nothing of interest there anymore (other than our local
 DD>> RC).

 RW> There's a few Harley riders there...from the air it looks like a decent
 RW> place to be.

I've not seen that many motorcycles in Maryborough - not that I've spent a lot
of time there, the main highway bypasses the place these days.

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On 7/01/11 10:14 AM, Kurt Weiske -> Ward Dossche wrote:

 WD>> Whatever ... my daughter was in Fort Collins CO last week and in the
 WD>> local Burger King they ran out of meat ... only chicken.

 KW> "What do you mean you don't eat MEAT? That's Ok, I make lamb..."

Are they attractive?

--
regards

David

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 [ On 2011-01-06 at 19:38:18, Ward Dossche wrote to Scott Little ]

 SL>> Unless available organs are going to waste because the state can't
 SL>> afford to transplant them, I'm not seeing the problem here?
 WD> Overhere, Scott ... in the civilised world ... budget concerns are not
 WD> an issue to decide whether or not the system can afford tranplants.

I didn't suggest otherwise, I questioned the relevancy of the budget cuts to
the loss of the transplant and subsequent death.

Are they simply saying the deceased needed the transplant because of hepatitis,
or lost the transplant because of hepatitis?  If the former, why bother
mentioning it at all?  If the latter, surely the organ went to someone else?
Like I said, budget cuts have nothing to do with anything unless organs are
getting wasted.  So, are they?  Seems like that would be the bigger story, so
I'm suspicious.

Regardless, organs are still more limited than money and stubbornly wasting
them on substandard recipients as a matter of misguided fairness is not the
mark of a mature society, IMO.  I'm a donor and if I had the choice as to who
gets my bits, it certainly wouldn't be people with other problems as long as
there are more suitable patients waiting.


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Hello Scott,

On Friday January 07 2011 20:34, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

 SL> Regardless, organs are still more limited than money and stubbornly
 SL> wasting them on substandard recipients as a matter of misguided
 SL> fairness is not the mark of a mature society, IMO.  I'm a donor and if
 SL> I had the choice as to who gets my bits, it certainly wouldn't be
 SL> people with other problems as long as there are more suitable patients
 SL> waiting.

In Belgium they have a law that makes anyone a donor unless he/she opts out. As
a result, there is no shortage of donor organs.

A proposal to do the same thing in The Netherlands was blocked by the
Christians. So... Dutch patients go to Belgium for a hearth transplant...


Cheers, Michiel


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Hi ROy,

On Thu 2039-Jan-06 00:28, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Ward Dossche:

 WD> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a
 WD> liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

Roy> Most people who suffer from Hc get it from using drugs
Roy> intravenously. Dirty needles come into play there. Not much sympathy
Roy> for drug users in government.

INdeed, but another common way of contracting the disease is unprotected sex
with someone who has it.  THat's how it got a friend of mine, and she in turn
infected another friend of mine.


Regards,
           Richard
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Ward Dossche wrote to Scott Little on Thursday January 06 2011 at 19:38:

SL>> Unless available organs are going to waste because the state can't
SL>> afford to transplant them, I'm not seeing the problem here?

WD> Overhere, Scott ... in the civilised world ... budget concerns are not
WD> an issue to decide whether or not the system can afford tranplants.

You'd like to believe. Whatever, no organs - no transplants.

WD> The system is set up as such that it can and will afford them ... even
WD> if the person requiring it is a gutter-dweller.

Believe what you want. The reality looks different. As already mentioned, India
and China are the first addresses for people who need transplants.

Cheers, Bob

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Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche on Thursday January 06 2011 at 00:28:

RW> One day your bank account is worth $100,000 and when you wake up the
RW> next day, it's only worth $10,000 in Patriot Dollars.

That's honesty. I've been wondering when the "New Dollar" (one new doller = 100
old dollars) would be introduced, just to make up for the inflation since
around 1950. If real honesty were king, the rate would be more like one new
dollar = 1,000 old dollars. That would come close to the situation that existed
when I was a kid.

Cheers, Bob

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Bob,

BA> I seriously doubt that everybody in Belgium who needs an organ
BA> transplant gets one, or FTM that everybody in Belgium who needs some
BA> expen$ive medical procedure/intervention gets it.

Of course ... the biggest bum in the street who never contributed everything
for whatever reason is eligible.

The only prohibitive factor here is the available of a suitable donor organ.

Of course someone somewhere pays the bill ... my fellow countrymen and myself
do. You should see our taxes. But I'm glad we have such a system where we do
not have to worry about which insurance company we are affiliated to or which
political majority will slash down which part of a universal healthcare
legislation on mere partisan grounds.

Any political party trying that here would be voted to Mars.

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Replying to a message of Roy Witt to Ward Dossche:


 WD>> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a
 WD>> liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

 RW> Most people who suffer from Hc get it from using drugs intravenously.
 RW> Dirty needles come into play there. Not much sympathy for drug users
 RW> in government.

I don't think your statement about 'most Hc patients" is true - at least not
any longer.  I will test positive for it but have never had it (or hepatitis
anything).
15 years ago when I worked in an Omaha hospital, all patient care personnel
were
required to be vaccinated against Hep C - for the  rest of us it was optional,
and
I exercised the option.  Everyone that's had the vaccine will test positive for
Hc.

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Replying to a message of Roy Witt to Ward Dossche:

 RW> 06 Jan 11 11:08, Ward Dossche wrote to All:

 WD>> And ... BTW ... the Governor of Arizona's name is "Kyl".

 WD>> Of course ... a RepubliCrook.

 RW> Wrong! The governor of AZ is Jan Brewer, a female and a
 RW> Republican...Kyl is one of the states two Republican US Senators.
 RW> Kyle has nothing to do with what the state does, he serves in the US
 RW> Senate, representing AZ.

 RW> A lot of the Demar-crooks got booted out of the US Senate in November.

And were replaced by Republicrooks.  Bottom line is they're still crooks.

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Michiel,

Mv> In Belgium they have a law that makes anyone a donor unless he/she opts
Mv> out. As a result, there is no shortage of donor organs.

That is correct.

I also carry a donor card which already has information about my tissue type to
speed-up the proces should I come to die of natural causes. Plus I have been
entered in a bone-marrow donor data-base with tissue type determined.

Especially the bone-marrow data base is something all people should do. Success
there is only possible in large enough numbers.

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07 Jan 11 14:30, Richard Webb wrote to Roy Witt:

 WD>> The patient died after earlier being removed from the list for a
 WD>> liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

 Roy>> Most people who suffer from Hc get it from using drugs
 Roy>> intravenously. Dirty needles come into play there. Not much
 Roy>> sympathy for drug users in government.

 RW> INdeed, but another common way of contracting the disease is
 RW> unprotected sex with someone who has it.  THat's how it got a friend
 RW> of mine, and she in turn infected another friend of mine.

In this day and age of HIV and Hc, unprotected sex with another is a gamble
with your life. Unless they positively know each of them are not infected, they
should abstain from unprotected sex.


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07 Jan 11 12:50, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche on Thursday January 06 2011 at 00:28:

 RW>> One day your bank account is worth $100,000 and when you wake up the
 RW>> next day, it's only worth $10,000 in Patriot Dollars.

 RB> That's honesty. I've been wondering when the "New Dollar" (one new
 RB> doller = 100 old dollars) would be introduced,

That hasn't happened yet, but there are people warning the public about it.
It's closer than we might think.

 RB>  just to make up for the inflation since around 1950. If real honesty
 RB> were king, the rate would be more like one new dollar = 1,000 old
 RB> dollars. That would come close to the situation that existed when I
 RB> was a kid.

The near future will be similar to how it was in Germany after WW1...

You can take your paycheck home in a wheel barrow, if you're luckey enough to
get one.

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07 Jan 11 18:24, Ward Dossche wrote to Bob Ackley:

 WD> or which political majority will slash down which part of a universal
 WD> healthcare legislation on mere partisan grounds.

It isn't going to happen on mere political or partisan grounds. Hell, the party
that passed that clunker was the majority and never even read the damned bill.
They just voted on it and the Speaker of the House was so elated, she said it
didn't need to be read before the vote because we can all read it later. When
later came and people got to read it, they were aghast at the costs.

 WD> Any political party trying that here would be voted to Mars.

Which is exactly what happened to the party that voted for such a travesty of a
health care bill here.

They're out of power and the people will decide on which way to go from here.


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07 Jan 11 07:04, Bob Ackley wrote to Roy Witt:

 WD>>> And ... BTW ... the Governor of Arizona's name is "Kyl".

 WD>>> Of course ... a RepubliCrook.

 RW>> Wrong! The governor of AZ is Jan Brewer, a female and a
 RW>> Republican...Kyl is one of the states two Republican US Senators.
 RW>> Kyle has nothing to do with what the state does, he serves in the US
 RW>> Senate, representing AZ.

 RW>> A lot of the Demar-crooks got booted out of the US Senate in
 RW>> November.

 BA> And were replaced by Republicrooks.  Bottom line is they're still
 BA> crooks.

Each party of crooks looks at a different direction in which to take us. The
replacements may not be as crooked as the replaced.

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07 Jan 11 21:39, Ward Dossche wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

 WD> Especially the bone-marrow data base is something all people should
 WD> do. Success there is only possible in large enough numbers.

A lot of good that will do if you happen to contract bone cancer or lukemia.


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HI ROy,

On Fri 2039-Jan-07 04:33, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:

<snip>
 Roy>> Most people who suffer from Hc get it from using drugs
 Roy>> intravenously. Dirty needles come into play there. Not much
 Roy>> sympathy for drug users in government.

 RW> INdeed, but another common way of contracting the disease is
 RW> unprotected sex with someone who has it.  THat's how it got a friend
 RW> of mine, and she in turn infected another friend of mine.

Roy> In this day and age of HIV and Hc, unprotected sex with another is a
Roy> gamble with your life. Unless they positively know each of them are
Roy> not infected, they should abstain from unprotected sex.

INdeed, remember that this happened to those friends of mine close to 40 years
ago however.  SHe got involved with a steady relationship which lasted about a
month or so, was pregnant as well, did the big A word at a clinic.  DIdn't know
she was infected.  My buddy used to hang out at her place quite a bit when she
and I were housemates for a brief time, and after I moved on to another town
they had a brief fling as well.
As one who's made a large part of his livelihood among the people of the night
though when I wasn't involved in a steady relationship the right tools were
always ready to hand in case opportunity presented itself <grin>.  These days
I'm involved in a monogamous relationship again, and have been for close to two
decades now, (a decade and a half is probably closer to the mark) so that one
hasn't concerned me.


Regards,
           Richard
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HI ROy,

On Fri 2039-Jan-07 04:48, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Bob Ackley:

 Roy>> A lot of the Demar-crooks got booted out of the US Senate in
 Roy>> November.

 BA> And were replaced by Republicrooks.  Bottom line is they're still
 BA> crooks.

Roy> Each party of crooks looks at a different direction in which to take
Roy> us. The replacements may not be as crooked as the replaced.

<hmmm>  NOt too sure about that.  THis old libertarian
doesn't see a whole lot of difference between the two. Both are beholden to
people that don't have the best interests of the people of the U.s> at heart. 
At one time there may have been fundamental philosophical differences, but that
was then, this is now as they say.


Regards,
           Richard
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Replying to a message of Ward Dossche to Bob Ackley:

 WD> Bob,

 WD> Of course someone somewhere pays the bill ... my fellow countrymen and
 WD> myself do. You should see our taxes. But I'm glad we have such a
 WD> system where we do not have to worry about which insurance company we
 WD> are affiliated to or which political majority will slash down which
 WD> part of a universal healthcare legislation on mere partisan grounds.

The problem on this side of the pond is that government (at all levels) is
taking between
65 and 75 oercent of people's income - NOT including Obamacare.  And many of
the governments at all levals are running deficits; California has been
technically bankrupt
for years, so is New York City - and those two localities have among the
highest tax rates
in the nation.  We won't get into the US government's deficit and multitrillion
dollar debt.

FWIW the biggest single item in the US government budget is interest on the
national debt.
The budgets of the Defense Department and HHS (Social Security/welfare) are
both considerably smaller.

Note that the debt has gone from about two trillion dollars to nearly five
trillion in the past
ten years; that crushing burden isn't going to be repaid, ever, and anybody
that buys US Treasury debt instruments is an idiot,  My opinion, of course.  It
took the Spendocrats nearly
seventy years to run up the first two trillion in debt, and only ten more years
to more than double it.

Also FWIW the US government has announced that in 2011 is cutting workers'
"contributions" to Socialist Security from 6.2 percent of gross income to 4.2
percent (plus a like amount from
the employers which doesn't appear on people's pay stubs).  Great, the system
is
going broke and they *reduce* its income.  2009 was the first year that
Socialist Security
benefits paid out exceeded "contributions" coming in - all that surplus that's
been accumulating since 1935 is invested - by law - in the US national debt,
and no place else;
there is no "Social Security Trust Fund" of money saved up by the workers and
never has been.  That difference between benefits and "contributions" will only
get bigger.

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Scott Little wrote to Ward Dossche on Friday January 07 2011 at 20:34:

SL> Regardless, organs are still more limited than money...

Unfortunately true, true also the fact that many people have an aversion to
organ donation, also true that in some countries (including Germany) you have
to opt IN to organ donation, not opt OUT if you don't wish that. That
automatically reduces the organ supply drastically - thanks to misguided ideas
of ethics and claimed religious fervor (either true or used as an excuse).

SL> I'm a donor and if I had the choice as to who gets my bits, it
SL> certainly wouldn't be people with other problems as long as there are
SL> more suitable patients waiting.

I'm a donor, too (with a card I carry everywhere in my billfold), and don't
particularly care what if anything from me is used after my death. I just
object to hospitals and transplantation teams making a profit on _my_ organs
(donated for free), but that's something nobody can prevent as long as the
politicians don't want to.

By the way, I see nothing wrong in selling organs such as kidneys from living
persons who need the money, as long as the loss does not affect the health of
the person involved. I know all about the ethics arguments, but when it comes
down to the bottom line, some poor people would rather eat with one kidney than
starve with two, one of which is unnecessary for normal health. It's a little
like child labor in places where the income of the child is the only thing
between a family and starvation. It's easy to be against such things if you're
healthy and well-fed yourself.

Cheers, Bob

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Scott Little on Friday January 07 2011 at 13:23:

MV> In Belgium they have a law that makes anyone a donor unless he/she
MV> opts out. As a result, there is no shortage of donor organs.

MV> A proposal to do the same thing in The Netherlands was blocked by the
MV> Christians. So... Dutch patients go to Belgium for a hearth
MV> transplant...

Regretfully, that's a natural consequence of religious extremism and
exaggerated ethics concepts: transplant tourism. But naturally only for those
who are well off financially, the poor are just expected to wait - and if
necessary die, for the religious beliefs of others.

But don't think such stuff is limited to Christians - as far as I know, Muslims
also require burial of a "whole" body. In such questions, I personally think
religion should be eliminated.

Or, as an alternative, nobody without an organ donor ID (issued prior to the
illness in question) may receive a transplant. Now _that_ would really generate
some heat among those who claim "religious" reasons for not being an organ
donor. I suspect that many such people would suddenly discover that their
religion isn't more important than their life.

Cheers, Bob

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Roy Witt wrote to Richard Webb on Friday January 07 2011 at 04:33:

RW> In this day and age of HIV and Hc, unprotected sex with another is a
RW> gamble with your life. Unless they positively know each of them are
RW> not infected, they should abstain from unprotected sex.

How true. The hell with "romance". No wonder the divorce rates are shooting up
- all people look at nowadays are the technical details of "love". What a
paradise we had when there was only syphillis and gonorrhea to worry about.

Maybe that's nature's way of eliminating the human species.

Cheers, Bob

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Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday January 07 2011 at 04:52:

RW> The near future will be similar to how it was in Germany after WW1...

RW> You can take your paycheck home in a wheel barrow, if you're luckey
RW> enough to get one.

I wish I could call you a fool and an idiot for that, but I fear you may be
pretty close to right. My only thought is how stupid I was not to buy gold when
the price was around $200 an ounce - and me so skeptical about the value of
paper currency. It's hell when you don't follow your own instincts.

Cheers, Bob

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Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche on Friday January 07 2011 at 04:50:

WD>> Especially the bone-marrow data base is something all people should
WD>> do. Success there is only possible in large enough numbers.

RW> A lot of good that will do if you happen to contract bone cancer or
RW> lukemia.

Unfortunately, you as a person may well not benefit. However, others might. At
least that may be a comforting thought.

Cheers, Bob

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Bob Ackley wrote to Ward Dossche on Friday January 07 2011 at 17:26:

BA> The problem on this side of the pond is that government (at all
BA> levels) is taking between 65 and 75 oercent of people's income - NOT
BA> including Obamacare.

I could see that in Germany, but in the States? Do you meanwhile have a 20%
sales tax and does gasoline cost $6.85 a gallon (= 3.78 liters)? That's our
situation in Germany.

Do all welfare people get $438 per person plus housing costs (within
government-approved limits) per month? Unlimited in time? They do here.

Do you pay $520 a month for private health insurance? That's what my bill in
2011 would be if I didn't somehow work around it with various government
subsidies.

Is your pension around $900 a month? Mine is.

Frankly, I think you have it better than you think.

Cheers, Bob

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Replying to a message of Richard Webb to Roy Witt:

 RW> HI ROy,

 RW> On Fri 2039-Jan-07 04:48, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Bob Ackley:

 Roy>>> A lot of the Demar-crooks got booted out of the US Senate in
 Roy>>> November.

 BA>> And were replaced by Republicrooks.  Bottom line is they're still
 BA>> crooks.

 Roy>> Each party of crooks looks at a different direction in which to take
 Roy>> us. The replacements may not be as crooked as the replaced.

 RW> <hmmm>  NOt too sure about that.  THis old libertarian
 RW> doesn't see a whole lot of difference between the two.
 RW> Both are beholden to people that don't have the best
 RW> interests of the people of the U.s> at heart.  At one time
 RW> there may have been fundamental philosophical differences,
 RW> but that was then, this is now as they say.

The difference between the two is that the Democrooks want to turn this country
into an authoritarian socialist state and the Republicrooks want to turn this
country
into an authoritarian fascist state.  AFAIC there's little difference between
the two.

-+- FleetStreet 1.19+