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Skriven 2011-03-18 11:09:40 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Leeching...
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Hello Robert,

On Monday March 14 2011 21:45, you wrote to me:

 MV>> Compared to Europe, the USA must be hell for illegal immigrants.

 RB> But what does a Mexican care about Europe? Zilch.

By your won theory, they wouldfind Europe much more attractive than the US,
because the taxes are higher and so the "leeching" is so much better.

 MV>> So why do the Mexicans all go to the USA? Why do they not go to
 MV>> Europe wher the leeching is much better.

 RB> Because it's closer and it's easier to get into the system.

Right. So there goes your "leeching" theory.

 MV>> It is people like Geert Wilders and the late Georg Haider who
 MV>> grossly amplified the problem in their rethorics.

 RB> Unfortunately, they only say openly what the majority of the
 RB> population thinks.

The majority? Are you sure?

 RB>  Same in Germany, same in Denmark. That's not "politically correct",
 RB> but reflects the facts as most people see them.

Or that those extremists /claim/ most people see them.

 MV>> 2nd generation immigrants now have LESS children on average than
 MV>> the Dutch.

 RB> Second generation Turks? Or second generation Vietnamese?

Both.

When the living conditions improve, the birth rate drops.

 RB> There's a _big_ difference in Germany. There's no problem integrating
 RB> people from the far east in Germany, although there are a lot of
 RB> Vietnamese who originally came to the GDR and are still in united
 RB> Germany. But except for their appearance, which they can't change,
 RB> they've integrated without difficulty. Not so the muslims.

Give them more time.

 RB>>> To the problem you also have in the Netherlands,

 MV>> The problem exists only in the mind of the extremist like Geert
 MV>> Wilders.

 RB> And "extremists" in practically every other EU country presently
 RB> affected by non-integrated, non native-speaking, intentionally
 RB> optically distinct (burkah, headscarves) islamic "asylum seekers".

How many burkas have you seen in the streets of datteln?

Our previous queen Juliana oiften wore a headscarve.

 MV>> Shortly after 1832, there even was a large inrush of Belgians.

 RB> Aha! So _that's_ where all this comes from... ;-)

Yep, it is all the fauklt of th Belgians.

 RB>>> Naturally, we're not talking about educated people with skills
 RB>>> that are needed in host countries - the kind of people who can
 RB>>> also get an immigration visa for the USA or Canada - but we _are_
 RB>>> talking about uneducated laborers from rural villages who neither
 RB>>> speak nor understand the local language

 MV>> All that wears off in two, three generatiosn at most.

 RB> You hope.

It is what history teaches us.

 RB> There are enough examples of third-generation Turks in
 RB> Germany still unable to speak decent German, still living on welfare,
 RB> to debate that. Naturally that's not everyone, but such cases _do_
 RB> exist, and not only a few. They're not merely my imagination.

Same here. They are exceptions.

 MV>> In 1948 we had a large influx of Molukkans.

 RB> I can still remember the train bombings by the southern Moluccans in
 RB> the Netherlands.

And now, with the next generation that problem has solved itself.

 MV>> Why do they not come to Europe if the "leeching" is so much better
 MV>> here?

 RB> Are you kidding? The average Mexican peon doesn't even know where
 RB> Europe is - but he knows he has a brother in Los Angeles.

And the brother in Los Angeles does not have a satellite TV that tells him the
leeching is so much better in Europe?


Cheers, Michiel

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