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Skriven 2011-04-15 09:10:55 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 16895 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Mortsel Ertl VII aircraft plant      was: Navigation
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15 Apr 11 10:32, Ward Dossche wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> WD> The harbor was not sabotaged at all ... not by the British, nor
 RW>> by
 RW>> WD> the French. It was in perfect working order except that there
 RW>> was
 RW>> WD> nothing to be shipped.

 RW>> Wrong. While the Brits and Frogs were in full retreat, the sabotage
 RW>> of that harbor was an objective carried out very well.

 WD> When the Allies liberated Antwerp in 1944, much to their surprise,
 WD> they found a fully functional sea-harbor with the docks unharmed, the
 WD> railroad lines in order, the cranes working and the sealocks
 WD> undamaged.

Yeup. The Germans had fixed everything that the Brits and Frogs had fucked
up...the Germans didn't sabotage it on their way out of town like the
Brits and Frogs did.

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 RW>> WD> "Up river" from Antwerp on the Schelde there is nothing
 RW>> German-like
 RW>> WD> to ship to.

 RW>> Right, but Germany also occupied the Netherlands and it ended up
 RW>> there.

 WD> There was no suitable harbor at that time in the Netherlands province
 WD> of Zeeland for those kind of loads.

See: Scheldt river which connected the port of Antwerp to the North Sea.

 WD> Zeeland was a bunch of
 WD> unconnected islands then with difficult navigable tidal waters, too
 WD> dangerous for a barge.

 RW>> It didn't need to, the coal was trucked by rail from wherever it was
 RW>> mined in Belgium.

 WD> My dear friend, Belgium had (and probably still has) the best
 WD> developed railnetwork in the world. If coal could have been loaded
 WD> onto a train, then trucking it by train to Germany direct would be
 WD> the thing to do ...

No doubt. But that wasn't how it was done.

 RW>> WD> 2) My dad, after being released as a POW, worked for the
 RW>> railroad
 RW>> WD> during the war.

 RW>> Un-reliable, as he wasn't privy to anything the Germans wanted to
 RW>> keep secret.

 WD> They nevertheless strategically were able to route trains completely
 WD> wrong, even transports to the east with Jews.

No problem. They'd be found and re-routed.

 RW>> WD> Erla Mortsel was photographed often by scout planes. It's in the
 RW>> WD> history books too.

 RW>> I would believe Erla VII was photographed by previous bombing
 RW>> flights of B17s headed to other targets in Germany and France.
 RW>> Unless Belgium or France had a 'secret' air force that the Germans
 RW>> didn't know about, flying small craft from Britain that far would be
 RW>> ludicrous.

 WD> If on May 22nd 1941 a lone Spitfire flew from Scotland to
 WD> Grimstadfjord near Bergen (Norway) to photograph the anchorage of
 WD> Bismarck which in the meantime had departed, a one way trip of 650km,
 WD> then a Spitfire could easily fly the 290km from East Anglia to
 WD> Antwerp/Mortsel. It was done all the time, also in the case of the
 WD> Erla raid here BTW.

You laid claim to photos taken by a scout plane, not a warbird.

 RW>> WD> Please look in the mirror to see one.

 RW>> If would have to be a one way mirror to get a view of you in your
 RW>> natural state of idiocy.

 WD> Ah, c'mon, you can do better than that. ;-)

Stopped you in your tracks...you had nothing to say other than you didn't
get it?


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