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Skriven 2009-12-15 14:55:09 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 1666 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Amanda Knox
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12 Dec 09 07:49, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday December 11 2009 at 12:22:

 RB>>> John Demjanjuk. And as to proof, that remains to be seen.

 RW>> Even the Isreali have said there is no proof...

 RB> No, they only failed to positively establish his identity as "Ivan
 RB> the Terrible". That, and only that was the reason for his release.

Wrong. They established at trial that he was ItT, but reversed that at the
Isreali Supreme Court level, whereupon he was released back to the US.

 RW>> Also, according to the Jerusalem Post, the German prosecuter argues
 RW>> that, even with no living witnesses who can implicate Demjanjuk in
 RW>> specific acts of brutality or murder, just being a guard at a death
 RW>> camp means he was involved in the Nazis' machinery of destruction.

 RW>> How fair of a trial will he get with that attitude?

 RB> Fair enough that he probably will be acquitted if the above is true
 RB> and there is no circumstantial evidence strong enough to implicate
 RB> him.

We agree for once.

 RW>>>> His trial date hasn't been set yet and he's dying in prison as you
 RW>>>> read this.

 RB>>> The trial has begun and as I understand it, he is present a couple
 RB>>> of hours a day.

 RW>> His trial has been limited to two 90-minute sessions per day. Try to
 RW>> keep up...

 RB> Try to keep up yourself. You claimed the trial date had not been set
 RB> yet.

As of November 29, it hadn't.

 RB>>>>> If you're thinking of John Demjanjuk, they took his citizenship
 RB>>>>> away before he was deported to Germany.

 RW>>>> After his trial in the late 90s where he was found innocent, AKA
 RW>>>> aquitted, his citizenship was restored.

 RB>>> And was again removed before he was deported to Germany. You should
 RB>>> keep up on current developments.

 RW>> Yeah, like 2002 is a 'current development'...

 RB> He was deported to Germany last year. That was 2008, if you can
 RB> remember that far back.

Ummmm, Bob. Demjanjuk was deported to Germany on May 11, 2009.

You should do something about your memory loss. It makes you out to be a
fool, and those of us with sound minds have to suffer your mistakes.

 RB> Better do something for that faulty memory.

LOL! Look in the mirror when you say that, you old fool.

 RW>>>> Per the US Constitution, a citizen can't be put on trial for the
 RW>>>> same crime again, once they've been aquitted.

 RB>>> For one, he's not a citizen. For another, double jeprody (and the
 RB>>> US Constitution) only applies to the USA.

 RW>> None of which applies to him. He was stripped of his citizenship
 RW>> because the immigration department said he lied on his application
 RW>> for entry to the US.

 RB> He's not a citizen. Thus the statement applies to him. The reasons
 RB> the Americans had for removing his citizenship are irrelevant. And
 RB> double jeprody, as well as the US Constitution, do _not_ apply
 RB> outside the USA.

He was stripped of his US citizenship before and it was reinstated. Why do
you suppose he was living in the US 16 years after he was released from
that Isreali prison? (see: Demjanjuk conviction overturned by Isreali
Supreme Court, US reinstates Demjanjuk citizenship, ca1993)

 RW>> The real story is that the immigration department doesn't want to
 RW>> deal with it.

 RB> Which has zilch to do with the subject. You're muddying the waters
 RB> again.

Only in your eyes...probably due to the CO2 fallout over Germany.

                R\%/itt

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