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Skriven 2011-05-07 22:41:39 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Gary Perkins (1710.fido_news)
Ärende: Generalizations
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Hello Gary,

On Tuesday May 03 2011 14:21, you wrote to me:

 MvV>> A trial would have been the better way, but I guess that was not
 MvV>> convenient.

 GP> I was rather surprised we didn't capture him, myself.

I am not at all surprised. If the reactions here are typical, the majority of
US citizens is quite happy the formalities of a trial were dispensed with. Plus
that what we are told about what really heppened is sufficiently vague to leave
room for those that wish to believe an arrest was not possible because he
reisisted arrest.

Suppose he was caught alive. What where they going to do with him? They could
hardly hand him over to the The Hague. That would imply recognition of the ICC.
Try him is a court in the US? That might raise all sorts of nasty questions.
Such as what crimes did he commet according to US law while he was under US
jurisdiction?  It may not have been enough for the death penalty.

Nah, I am not surprised the hassle of a trial was dispensed with. I fo not
approve of it, but suprpised... no.

 GP> I haven't caught the news lately or looked at it, but I wonder who
 GP> gave the order to kill: someone on the ground, at the pentagon, or
 GP> Obama when he signed off on the operation?

It obviously was Obama himself who issued the "license to kill".

Not everything went as planned though. Am advanced helipcopter crashed and had
to be left behind. It was blown up, but some of the secet stuff may have
survived and is now in the hands of a not si trusted alley. That surely was not
part of the plan....

 MvV>> It will get worse before it gets better. There was some hope
 MvV>> that things would get better with Obama. He promised to close
 MvV>> down the Gitmo Hotel end we detected signs of a more positive
 MvV>> attitude toward the ICC. But so far he failed to deliver.

 GP> I'm amazed he's actually going to run for another term.

Why not? Certainly after the succes off getting Bin Laden, he has gathered a
lot of Brownie points.

 GP> As far as I can tell, he hasn't come through on any of the promises
 GP> he's made.

I think y'all were too impatient. Two years is by far not enough to undo the
damage done by Bush. I think you shot yourself in the foot with the last
election. He deserved nmore time.


 MvV>> The problem with working together with the US is that it always
 MvV>> boils down to having to do it THEIR way...

 GP> Keep in mind that oftentimes our government does not necessarily do
 GP> what "we the people" want it to.

I find that a bit of a lame excuse. The US presents itself as a democracy. So
much that it continuesly attempts to impose their superior system on others. If
need be by force. If the system is as good as y'all claim, you can not hide
behind the excuse that the your elected government does not do what the peple
want. Just sent them packing of that is the case. Here we do that...

 MvV>> I have no such fear, as the Muslim world does NOT stick
 MvV>> together. They are as divered among themselves as can be. If
 MvV>> they were able to stick together, they would not be fighting
 MvV>> each other in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 GP> I've actually lost a few friends over this topic.  You're correct
 GP> about "the Muslim world".  It's like talking about "the Christian
 GP> world".  What does that really mean?  Christianity ranges from that
 GP> crazy church somewhere north of me, something-boro, to people who
 GP> follow the faith so blindly that they would take a twitching paranoid
 GP> schizophrenic into their home at night to feed.

Indeed. There is also no such thing as "the Christian world."

 GP> I've started studying Islam.  I've heard so many crazy things about
 GP> Muslims, I've had to start educating myself about them.  So far, I
 GP> haven't found much that worries me.  I still have to look at the
 GP> Qu'ran itself, but I'd imagine it's probably about as barbaric as the
 GP> bible is. That is to say, taken literally, quite barbaric. ;)

Yep....


Cheers, Michiel

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