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Skriven 2011-05-09 11:39:12 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Generalizations
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Hello Robert,

On Sunday May 08 2011 10:53, you wrote to me:

 MV>> recognition of the ICC. Try him is a court in the US? That might
 MV>> raise all sorts of nasty questions. Such as what crimes did he
 MV>> commit according to US law while he was under US jurisdiction?  It
 MV>> may not have been enough for the death penalty.

 RB> Wishful thinking,

Indeed, thinking that OBL would get a fair trial in the US, is whisful
thinking.

 RB> but the main reason would have been that there would have been
 RB> numerous terror attacks directed toward forcing the US to free him.

That would be inconvenenient would it?

 RB> You can't seriously believe his buddies would have made no
 RB> attempt to get him out of jail before, during and after any trial -
 RB> and such things aren't generally nonviolent in the case of al Quaida.

I am not in the believing business. I observe that the US dispenses with proper
legal procedure when following it is inconvenient.

 MV>> Nah, I am not surprised the hassle of a trial was dispensed with.
 MV>> I do not approve of it, but suprpised... no.

 RB> I think it was the best thing for all concerned, even including Osama.
 RB> Now he's a saint to his guys, half the muslim world, and even a few
 RB> benighted westerners.

So YOU know what is best for everyone? Speak for yourself please.

 GP>>> Keep in mind that oftentimes our government does not necessarily
 GP>>> do what "we the people" want it to.

 MV>> I find that a bit of a lame excuse.

 RB> No more so than in any European "democracy". Look at the reader's
 RB> comments in your own newspaper and see if the population agrees with
 RB> everything the government does.

1) There is a difference between "not pleasing all" end not following the
wishes of "we the people"as he phrased it.

2) European Democracy does not present itself as the shining beacon of light
that everyone must follow. willingly or unwillingly.

 MV>> The US presents itself as a democracy.

 RB> Which it is,

In her own perspcective....

 RB> and in some respects (think of freedom of speech) even more so than
 RB> the parliamentary democracies in Europe.

There is more to democracy than the Star ans Striped version of the concept of
free speech. I say that a country where you can only become president if you
can raise 10 M$, is not a democracy.

 MV>> So much that it continuesly attempts to impose their superior
 MV>> system on others.

 RB> No,

In the perception of the recipients it does. I feel constant pressure from the
Wild West to submit to their morals and ways of things.

 RB> it only removes impediments to democracy where that appears to be
 RB> promising.

Or when there is oil...

 RB> Islam isn't merely a religion - it's a political manifest and includes
 RB> a code of law (the sharia). It's not comparable with Christianty in
 RB> that respect, nor is the Koran comparable with the Bible.

You are talking like Geert Wilders.

Who's trail is ongoing BTW...


Cheers, Michiel

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