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Skriven 2009-12-25 09:11:00 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
   Kommentar till text 1881 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: The Evil That Men Do
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Hello Roy,

>BF>Was it Hitler, Eichman or any of the other high ranking Nazis, or
>BF>was it a few suddenly promoted low-lives who suddenly got more
>BF>power than their petty minds and characters deserved?

>BF>As long as we refuse to discuss this, we will never get the proper
>BF>answers...

>RB>The discussion on this point started the minute Nazi Germany
>RB>surrendered and has continued since: you're talking about the
>RB>so-called "collective guilt", the support of everyday Germans that
>RB>made it possible for leaders such as Hitler, Goering and Himmler to
>RB>cause such death and destruction.

>RW>You started at the wrong point in Germany's history. It didn't start
>RW>with those you mentioned and possibly might never have come to be
>RW>without the Treaty of Versailles...Had Germany been treated after
>RW>WW1 like they and Japan were after WW2, Hitler and his goons may
>RW>never have come to power.

>LL>You missed the entire point.  Who caused "such death and
>LL>destruction"? Was it really "leaders such as Hitler, Goering and
>LL>Himmler"?  Or was it those who brought war to Germany?  Remember, to
>LL>Germans, Germany was fighting a defensive war (on three fronts).  We
>LL>were the aggressors. Not them.

RW>All I can say is that you're not a very good student of historical facts.

Spouting propaganda does not make for "historical facts".

RW>To answwer your question: The Nazi' caused death and destruction and
RW>that's a fact.

Of course they did.  There was a war going on.  Remember?

Here is what I wrote, very clearly and concisely -

"Remember, to Germans, Germany was fighting a defensive war
(on three fronts).  We were the aggressors.  Not them."

What is it about that statement you do not understand?

RW>The Nazi' started WW2 by invading, get that - invading, Poland.
RW>Because Britain and France had a mutual agreement with the Poles
RW>to support them (and others) in case of an invasion, that caused
RW>Germany to invade France and begin an air war over Britain.  We
RW>were never the aggressor and never could have been with an isolation
RW>policy of 'keep it over there'.  Nor were Britain, France and
RW>especially Poland an aggresssor, but instead defenders of Nazi
RW>aggression toward them.

That is propaganda, not historical fact.

Each side has its own POW.  And each side was swayed by propaganda.
Germans clearly believed they were in the right, and had no choice
but to defend their homeland from those who wanted to take their
freedom away.  Germans were told by their leaders what Germans believed
to be the truth.  Russians were told by their leaders what Russians
believed to be the truth.  Britons were told by their leaders what
Britons believed to be the truth.  Americans were told by their leaders
what Americans believed to be the truth.  And so on and so on.

It is said that histories are written by the victors.  But histories
are also written by those who lost the war.  What are the real
historical facts?  All histories are interpretations of history.
And every historian distorts history to his/her own liking or way
of presentation.

To Yankees and those who supported the North (victors in the War for
Southern Independence), the period just after the War (Southerners never
refer to the War as the "Civil War") was one of "reconstruction" - in
which the North helped the South to rebuild.  To Southerners and those
who supported the South (losers in the War), that same period was one
of military occupation - in which Yankees raped, pillaged, and stole
everything Southerners had, leaving the region destitute and poor.
Almost all histories of the War have been written from a Northern
POV.  Only recently have historians begun to pay more attention to
histories of the War as told from a Southern POV.  So what are the
historical facts?  The *real* historical facts, rather than propaganda
as told by Yankees?

--Lee


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