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Skriven 2011-06-13 16:13:48 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: What are we talking about now?
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Hello Robert,

On Sunday June 05 2011 08:12, you wrote to me:

 MV>> It wasn't my cartoon.  http://felten.se/tsa.jpg

 RB> Saw it this time, and it wasn't funny in the least.

Figures. You did like Roy's homo hate joke though. I did not finf that funny in
the least.

 RB> I thought it was at best sad and at worst blatent propaganda based on
 RB> an isolated indicent.

Propaganda? By whom? Against or in favour of what or whom?

Isolated incident? Maybe. But then the Vopos shooting people attempting to
climb the Berlin wall were also isolated incidents. Isolated incidents that
could only occur because the circumstances and the attitude was created in
which it became possible. Nobody has ever been shot attempting to climb the
wall between Belgium and The Netherlands. Not in the last because there never
WAS a wall between Belgium and the Netherlands. Actually, I am proud to say -
the border between Belgium and The Netherlands was the first in Europe to be
completely open. Border checkpoints were dispensed with some 35 years ago and
if you leave the main roads you often have a hard time to see where the border
actually is.

 RB> Just the usual stuff I've come to expect from Bjorn.

You are shooting the messenger. That never made a problem go away. Google for
"My first cavity search book" and be surprised. Someone in the US created it,
and apparently some in the US find it funny...

 MV>> I have read it. I did not percive it as a faux pas.

 RB> Then simply a stupid comment

In your perception....

 RB> that had nothing to do with the subject and once again showed how
 RB> desperate he is to inject something negative to the States into every
 RB> message, regardless of subject.

 MV>> He was merely presenting another example of change in the USA
 MV>> since you left...

 RB> Yeah, I know. Swedes who've never beein in the States and get their
 RB> information from the media know _all_ about the country, but my
 RB> information is _totally_ outdated.

You can't deny that the USA *has* changed.

[ About Ross' and Roy's attitude ]

 RB>>> Why complain?

 MV>> To show that you are not biassed and do not side with the Euro
 MV>> bashers.

 RB> And the reason I see no cause to berate Ross is simply because he does
 RB> _not_ constantly berate us "Euros" without any particular reason

Then reread some of his mesages. The last one states that we are "mainland scum
that deserves to be left to rot". In his last three messages to me, he also
repeatedly used the word "sissy". That is not Euro bashing?

 RB> for doing so - as Bjorn does the Americans - but is presently only
 RB> giving Bjorn a small bit back of what Bjorn so loves to dish out.

 RB> I see a big difference here.

I do not.

 MV>> I wish it where. But we eep hearing this We saved your arses
 MV>> from..." over and over again...

 RB> Why's that any skin off your nose?


Because I am sick and tired of hearing this "you should be grateful and play
are game. We saved your arses...."

 RB> You, Bjorn and even Ward first started up this bullshit about how
 RB> Hitler was beaten by the time of the Stalingrad battle,

No, we did not start it. It started with the Yanks telling us to be grateful
and play their game because... every time we did not want to play their game.
And no, tis did not start with 9/11. It started WAY before that.

Bullshit? Well, I am sorry but that the battle of Stalingrad was the turning
point that started the inevitable downfall of Hitler *IS* the general consensus
among European historians. That the US history books tell a different  story is
not my fault.

 RB> and the Americans only interefered and prolonged the war.

Those are your words, I never made a statement to that effect.

 RB> So the other side jumped in.

NO. They started it! WE jumped in.

 RB> Does that really astound you?

What astounds me is that even if they are right from their point of view, they
do not see that goodwill does not last forever. Even if they did save our
arses, all the goodwill has long ago evaporated. If there ever was a debt it
has been payed back 10 times over. Time to let go.

 RB> You worry about Ross' terms for Euros at the onset of the Iraq war
 RB> even now - and that's meanwhile long over and done,

Apparently not, because Ross still won't admit that military force is not the
answer to all problems. He still calls us sissies...

 RB> Drop it, and the other side will too.

I have been silent for almost a week. The Ross started a new fire over NATO.

 RB> And you needn't look to me for help. I'm not on a crusade,

No? Then why do you constantly attack anyone who says something negative about
the US, but are you extremely mild on the Euro bashers?

 RB> like you and Bjorn appear to be. All I want is some semblence of
 RB> normality and tolerance among supposedly intelligent people who happen
 RB> to live in different countries.

Tell it to Roy and Ross.

 RB>>> Peter Minuit

 MV>> Another US person I have never heard of...

 RB> ;-) You should use smileys when you write such stuff.

I was not joking. I really have no idea who Peter Minuit is. I suppose
Wikipedia could give me an answer, but why bother?


Cheers, Michiel

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