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Skriven 2011-07-19 11:02:36 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
  Kommentar till text 21027 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Another Euro in jail
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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Robert Bashe on Monday July 18 2011 at 18:07:

MV>>> One does not need a passport to leave a country, unless you were in
MV>>> the former DDR. Passports are to get IN, not to get out.

RB>> Try to get on a plane at Schipol with a destination outside the EU
RB>> without a passport sometime.

MV> As I told you:

MV>>> That is because the airline wants to make sure you get IN at the
MV>>> other side, so they so not have to take you back on their cost.

The point, dear Michiel, is not _why_ you need a passport, but the fact that
you can't board a plane for another country without it (or without a national
ID card inside the EU). That's a fact and all the twisting around won't change
it.

MV>>> But there are other ways to leave a country than by commercial
MV>>> airline.

MV> For example: by car, on foot, by boat or by private airplane.

If you're desperate enough. But of course, that would make you an
internationally wanted person. I've already mentioned the consequences
elsewhere.

RB>> And Strauss-Kahn hardly has another option than to fly back to
RB>> France, assuming he can't swim the Atlantic.

MV> He could hire a private plane and fly to St Martin.That is a little
MV> Island in the Caribian. Or he could get there by boat.

You'te talking pure theory.

MV> Or... he could go to Mexico and go to the French embassy saying he
MV> "lost" his passport.

Are you kidding? Strauss-Kahn, who's been on the front page of every newspaper
in the hemisphere, and he just walks in and claims he lost his passport?? Get
real.

RB>> Whatever the reason, without a passport he can't leave the country.

MV> Yes, he can.

OK, he can sneak out in the trunk of a car and be a hunted criminal the rest of
his life. You might do something like that, even if you thought you might well
be acquitted in the trial to follow, but I doubt if someone as prominent as
Strauss-Kahn would.

MV> Who says he can not leave France. That would only be an issue if the
MV> US issued an international arrest warrant that was recognised by the
MV> countries DSL wanted to go.

PLEASE don't be so naive, Michiel. The guy is too well known to risk something
like that.

MV>>> And of course he would not have a problem to enter France without a
MV>>> passport.

RB>> If he could get there without one. But he can't.

MV> I am sure he can if he wanted.

Buy a forged one, maybe. But the French are not about to issue second passports
to people who original was claimed by the judicial authorities of another
country pending trial for an offence that is also a crime in France. That idea
is ridiculous.

The rest is in the same vein. But as noted, I think Strauss-Kahn is smarter
than to try to escape from the country when he has a chance of being acquitted.

Cheers, Bob

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