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Skriven 2009-12-30 15:01:26 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
   Kommentar till text 1932 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: The Evil That Men Do  1/
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Hello Roy,

>LL>You missed the entire point.  Who caused "such death and
>LL>destruction"? Was it really "leaders such as Hitler, Goering and
>LL>Himmler"?  Or was it those who brought war to Germany?  Remember,
>LL>to Germans, Germany was fighting a defensive war (on three fronts).
>LL>We were the aggressors. Not them.

>RW>All I can say is that you're not a very good student of historical
>RW>facts.

>LL>Spouting propaganda does not make for "historical facts".

RW>Then I must ask; why do you do it?

All sides spouted propaganda.  The USA, Britain, Germany, Italy,
Russia, Japan, etc.

>RW>To answwer your question: The Nazi' caused death and destruction and
>RW>that's a fact.

>LL>Of course they did.  There was a war going on.  Remember?

RW>Between 1933 and 1939?

The prelude to a shooting war, yes.

>LL>Here is what I wrote, very clearly and concisely -

RW>Yes, and even though you wrote it very clearly and you did it concisely,
RW>it was not based in fact.

Unlike Wittian propaganda based on fantasy, Germans based their views
on actual facts.

>LL>"Remember, to Germans, Germany was fighting a defensive war
>LL>(on three fronts).  We were the aggressors.  Not them."

RW>Which isn't true.

To Germans it was.

>LL>What is it about that statement you do not understand?

RW>I understand it completely.

Germans understood completely who the aggressor was.  Hell, even
Austrians (such as Adolf Hitler) understood completely who the aggressor
was.  And I am sure many Americans (such as FDR) understood completely
who the aggressor was.

RW>However, it isn't a true enough statement.

I'm not Jewish.

RW>It wasn't we who were the aggressor, as we didn't start the war,
RW>the aggressor nation of Germany did.

Germany declared war on the United States because the United States
violated the Neutrality Act by aiding England (a country at war with
Germany).  That means the USA was the aggressor, not Germany.

RW>What part of that statement don't you understand?

The propaganda you spouted above, claiming that Germany was not
the aggressor, was a clear statement.  However, it is just that -
propaganda.  Not historical fact.

>RW>The Nazi' started WW2 by invading, get that - invading, Poland.
>RW>Because Britain and France had a mutual agreement with the Poles
>RW>to support them (and others) in case of an invasion, that caused
>RW>Germany to invade France and begin an air war over Britain.  We
>RW>were never the aggressor and never could have been with an isolation
>RW>policy of 'keep it over there'.  Nor were Britain, France and
>RW>especially Poland an aggresssor, but instead defenders of Nazi
>RW>aggression toward them.

>LL>That is propaganda, not historical fact.

RW>That is historical fact that you ignore.

Germany did not start WWII.  Germany defended itself, that is for sure.
But that is far different than starting a world war.

>LL>Each side has its own POW.  And each side was swayed by propaganda.
>LL>Germans clearly believed they were in the right, and had no choice
>LL>but to defend their homeland from those who wanted to take their
>LL>freedom away.  Germans were told by their leaders what Germans
>LL>believed to be the truth.  Russians were told by their leaders what
>LL>Russians believed to be the truth.  Britons were told by their
>LL>leaders what Britons believed to be the truth.  Americans were told
>LL>by their leaders what Americans believed to be the truth.  And so on
>LL>and so on.

RW>BS

The people of each country believed whatever BS their leaders told them.

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