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Skriven 2011-07-29 18:33:58 av David Drummond (3:640/384)
  Kommentar till text 21299 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
Ärende: FidoNews 28:30 [02/05]: Guest Editorial
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On 26/07/11 12:12 AM, Janis Kracht -> David Drummond wrote:

 >> It is interesting that the main complainers regarding the moderator's
 >> "inaction" are the chief offenders of the behaviour that they claim
 >> requires moderating.

 JK> And so you must subscribe to the belief that no moderation is needed..
 JK> even while admitting there are those that need it.

I admit no such thing. I observe that those most in favour of draconian
moderation are the exact same people performing the actions THEY see as needing
moderation. I say they should moderate themselves if THEIR behaviour bothers
THEM.

 >>> Some Fidonet SysOps avoid the Fidonews echo, sometimes making it
 >>> passthrough rather than "available" for users, since it has literally
 >>> become an anti-US cesspool, and a place where one is more likely to
 >>> be insulted, than not.

 >> Should all echoes be pro USA and the "American Way"?

 JK> Why should ANY country who participates in Fidonet be badmouthed??

For exactly the same reason that some countries feel it necessary to overrun
others because they want their resources or don't like their political system.
People's political/cultural beliefs bleed through into real life too - not
everyone agrees on everything.

 JK> That is one of the things that needs moderating here. Readers in this echo
do
 JK> not have to like the place where I was born, nor I theirs, but in not
 JK> denigrating the countries where we live, we actually may open doors to
 JK> new members joining us.

Even when that country/culture is seen by so many as the "root of all evil"
today? Are you all so oppressed that you cannot utter disapproval?

 JK> And THAT is the point of Fidonet, communication with others all over the
 JK> world.

Which means you will meet people with views that oppose your own.

Maybe if the USAians didn't constantly give the impression that their
country/culture is the most wonderful in the world, others would be so inclined
to point out their error.

 JK> Here's a post I made in the Fidogazette echo that maybe says it all:

 JK> "I had a downlink here a while back from Saudi Arabia. He asked me for a
 JK> feed knowing that International tensions were high between our two
 JK> countries at the time. I said to him, "Hey, no problem.. it's not like
 JK> you or I work for the Government, and even if we did, who cares.. we
 JK> just want to communicate in ways that will maybe help each other
 JK> understand a little bit about each other's country". Well, we both had a
 JK> good laugh when he replied to me, "I do work for the Gov't here, but I
 JK> agree with you!" <grin> Anyway, the point is our lives are enriched by
 JK> contact with people from other nations.. and it's sad to me when things
 JK> go to hell in that respect."

And yet you let that government rule you country?

 JK> I'm amazed more people don't rise up here when the insults start.
 JK> Insulting other people's countries certainly defeats the purpose of
 JK> being a member of Fidonet.

I didn't see anything in Policy about having to toady to the AntiChrist...

 >>> It's been stated by his colluders that if you
 >>> don't like Bjorn's style of moderating, you should just leave.

 >> Isn't the US mantra of "AMERICA, love it or leave it" valid in this
 >> instance?

 JK> Don't try to bring politics from the 1960's in here.

That attitude can still be seen today.

 JK> There are a good number of us who lived through that time period, and lost
several close
 JK> friends to the Viet Nam war, in which they had no choice in fighting.
 JK> That phrase was SICK then, and is even more sick now.

Australian and New Zealanders lost loved ones in USA's war in Vietnam too! They
didn't resort to such one eyed zealousness.

 JK> If you even had a clue what those supporting the 1960's war machine
 JK> meant by that phrase, you'd think twice about using it. It certainly is
 JK> NOT applicable in the context of my editorial.

But is is certainly applicable to my comment that if one doesn't like this echo
seek what you look for elsewhere.

Does every echo have to conform to YOUR view of how it should be?

 >>> What would we like? Well, I know what I would like: I'd like to see
 >>> Bjorn turn the Echo and Fidonews publishing over to someone who cares
 >>> a bit more about how the rest of the world views Fidonet, and who
 >>> might actually encourage it's growth. JMO.

 >> That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Others may feel
 >> differently.

 JK>  From your statement, I gather you may support: 1) Bashing the country
 JK> where fellow SysOps live

Being a sysop is a technical condition not a political one. If people make
comments that I disagree with, I'm likely to tell them so.

 JK> 2) Insulting SysOps of Fidonet

Fidonet Sysops have as much right to take offense as anyone else - why should
they be deprived?

 JK> 3) A moderator and editor who does nothing to further the growth of
 JK> Fidonet.

I support Björn's method of moderation in this echo. As I stated earlier the
only person who can moderate one's action is the person themselves.

-- 
regards

David 

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