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Skriven 2011-07-31 06:11:34 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 21483 av Torbjorn Mohn (2:211/37)
Ärende: Scandinavian Terrorist
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Hello Torbjorn,

 >>>> at the relatively young age of 53 years.  Meanwhile, the 90+ people
 >>>> he murdered in cold blood will still be deader than a doornail.
 >>> That is not the case.

 >> Maximum sentence for any crime, including murder, is 21 years.

 TM> Wrong. You obviously know very little about Norwegian law. In fact maximum
 TM> prison sentence in Norway is 30 years:
 TM> http://www.lovdata.no/all/tl-20050520-028-018.html#102

 TM> ABB can in fact be charged with crimes that can give him 30 years in
prison

I do not believe Norwegians are much different than anybody else on
the face of this planet.  Emotionally, most Norwegians want that guy
dead.  You are talking about a mass murderer of children.  It would
have been bad enough had it been just a plain run of the mill mass
murderer.  But no.  This is the worst of the worst.  A mass murderer
of children.  As such, it really does not matter what Breivik is
sentenced to.  He is a dead man walking.

 >>> but he can (and most likly will) be sentenced to many years of detention
 >>> after his jail sentence has been served.

 >> Breivik will not survive his sentence of 21 years.

 TM> He most likly will.

I doubt it.

 >>> So it is not likely that this man will walk free at the age of 53.

 >> Dead is dead.

 TM> are you going to kill him in jail?

Nah.  Some patriotic Norwegian will do the honors.

 >> Norway has what they call "containment".  That is a nice way of
 >> saying that Breivik will never live long enough to see the light
 >> of day outside of prison walls.

 TM> Bullshit. Containment is there to protect the public from his actions
after
 TM> he has served his jailsentence. He will most likely never walk free again.

"Containment" is just another word for having nothing left to lose.
Norway's way of soothing an angry population.  But it is just that.
Empty words.  People, especially the families of the victims, will
never forget what happened.  And they will never forgive Breivik.
Even if Breivik is insane, and does not know or understand right
from wrong.

 >> Dead is dead, no matter how you look at it.  You want to call
 >> it "containment"?  Fine.  It's the same danged thing.

 >> The same fate awaits Breivik as did Jeffrey Dahmer.  Somebody
 >> inside the prison will shank him long before his 21 year sentence
 >> is completed.

 >> You want to know how that works?  Obviously, the inmate doing the
 >> shanking cannot get paid.  Not directly.  However, a promise to pay
 >> somebody else who is outside the prison walls works wonders as an
 >> incentive.  In Dahmer's case, I figure the bill was about ten grand.
 >> Breivik, like Dahmer, is a mass murderer.  But Breivik is apparently
 >> not a cannibal, so the price on his head will probably be less than
 >> Dahmer's.

 >> Or an inmate might simply want his own 15 minutes of fame, and
 >> decide to do it for free.

 TM> Norway is not the US. We have a completely different and more human prison
 TM> system than you describe here. In my country (Norway) we treat prisoners
in
 TM> a humane way, and comparing it to your system is plain stupidity.

There is no "humane way" to off somebody.  Whether it is a quick
death (such as a bullet to the head) or a slow death (life in prison
without benefit of parole), it is still murder.  State-sanctioned
murder, but murder nonetheless.

I doubt Breivik can be released into society.  Society would kill
him if he ever steps foot outside the protective custody of prison.
What does that tell you about Norwegians?  What does that tell you
about the human race?

Human nature is what it is, the world over.  People feel pain.
Whether if it is physical pain or emotional pain, it is still pain.
And people need a release from that pain.  Breivik's death would
alleviate the suffering of some of those people.  Whether Breivik
dies of natural causes or by the hand of somebody else, I doubt
it will make much difference to those who are suffering.

I am not saying, or suggesting, that Breivik should die.  Only
expressing a personal opinion that I do not believe Breivik will
live very long once he has been convicted and sentenced.

 >> It should be obvious to all that Breivik does not belong in
 >> prison.  The guy is a nutcase, and should be locked up in a house
 >> for the criminally insane for the rest of his natural life, however
 >> long that life is.  I do not expect that to happen, as Norwegians
 >> will demand "justice" to be done.

 TM> We will deal with him OUR way, and we will do it properly in due course.

Absolutely.  And that is the way it should be.

 >> Besides, Norwegians will point to John Hinckley, the nutcase who

 TM> no.. we will not. There is absolutely no reason what so ever to point at
US
 TM> nutcases in this case. Not everything revolves around the US you know. The
 TM> majority of the people of the earth do NOT live in the US.

People are human the world over.  Human nature is what it is, the
world over.  Most people know, and understand, right from wrong.
I said most, not all.  Breivik apparently is one of those who does
not know, or understand, right from wrong.

I cannot tell Norwegians how to conduct their affairs.  If I did,
Norwegians would laugh me out of the room.  Norwegians will find a
solution.  A solution that works for Norwegians.

 TM> Stop looking at my country and make conclusions based on *your* system.
You
 TM> obviously do not know enough about our ways of life here. I'm proud to be
a
 TM> Norwegian these days, seeing how we as a country are dealing with this
 TM> terrible crisis at the moment.

Unfortunately, most people in America are only familiar with the
American system of justice, never having been exposed to the way
other countries conduct their business.  And those Americans who
think they are familiar with the American system of justice base
their opinions on what they have heard on FoxNews.  So, if you
really want to know what Americans know about Norway's system of
justice, just tune in to Bill O'Reilly's "No Spin Zone" program...

--Lee

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