Text 22263, 47 rader
Skriven 2011-09-10 18:00:34 av Joe Delahaye (19565.fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 22261 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: the isolation
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  Re: the isolation
  By: Robert Bashe to Joe Delahaye on Sat Sep 10 2011 19:50:10

 > My guess is until Bjorn is at least removed as moderator. Then he can flame
 > all he likes, until a _real_ moderator steps in and slaps his hands when it
 > gets too hairy.

Trouble is that there is absolutely no way to remove him as editor.  As
moderator, the readers can rise up as was done in FN_Sysop and replace him, but
even that will likely fail I think.

 > I think nearly everything else could be talked about - even maybe a
 > co-editorship for the newsletter, if Bjorn loves the hat so much he simply
 > can't give it up. Although I personally would prefer a clean break, and I
 > can't imagine Bjorn cooperating with anyone, much less a competitor from
 > Z1.
 >

He did cooperate to some extent with Ross as co mod so to speak, but Björn
needs to learn to not comment so incessantly about the US.  All that does is
get replies back from the US side, and ad infinitum.  As I have said right from
the beginning, tit for tat does not work.  That is just a kindergarten
playground tactic in my opinion.

 > But I can't see any end to the stalemate as long as Bjorn stays moderator
 > of "the other" Fidonews echo, and the only one who might have a chance of
 > getting him out - Ward Dossche - still appears to see the situation as a Z1
 > vs Z2 fight rather than simple disgust with an abusive, so-called moderator
 > who simply happens to be from Z2, but could as easily be from Z1 - and
 > should also be removed in an analogous case.
 >
I think that Ward sees the seperation as a Z1 vs Z2 thing, moreso then the
moderator problem.  I have no idea what goes on in the other side of Fidonews
either.


 > We need someone to cut the Gordian knot and break the current stalemate.
 > Pointing fingers back and forth isn't going to solve anything.
 >

Good luck with that.  Feelings (for lack of a better word) have been hurt on
both sides of the equation.  What is needed here is a neutral entitity to try
and negotiate an end to this.  Dont know where to find one though.  Such a
thing is often done when negotiations come to a standstill and the third party
determines what will be done if no agreement is reached
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