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Skriven 2011-10-27 18:34:18 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
  Kommentar till text 22661 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
Ärende: FidoNews Vol. 28 No. 43 Editorial
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Hi Richard,

>> I'm not sure, I'd have to check but I think that these web based
>> forums like PHbb don't have the threading that say a standard bbs
>> does.  I could be wrong though.  Even usenet groups have some
>> threading available..

> Right, nntp does have, but as I understand it some web
> forums are better at this than others.

My son got a kick out of my telling him that folks in the facebook fidonet
group were looking for ways to download and upload those web forum messages..
he got a little upset even haha.. 'What would they want that for??' hahaha.. he
just doesn't realize that for so many people, once you get bit by the fidonet
'bug', it doesn't leave you .. and when you've been away for a while, and you
find a way to come back, you'd like it work somewhat in a way you're used to,
that's all.

>  The only one I used
> to participate in when I had access before Katrina was
> Prosoundweb and their threading wasn't existent at all.
>That was a roll on the floor and bang head experience that I put myself throug
> because even then there were folks there
> with some great knowledge that had migrated there from
> usenet because they could get their own forums, and the
> advertisers paid for it all.  I still preferred usenet and
> FIdo though, but there were a couple of ongoing threads I'd
> watch, or as close to threads as you can get with such a
> forum.  IT was just so clunky to use, especially using a
> screen reader <grumble>.

ah I can understand that ..


[...]
>> required.  NOT so today.  There are folks who are interested in digital
>> communications who may get licensed who never
>> learn anything at all about the analog side, i.e. how to
>> conduct themselves during organized network activity, etc.

>> Ah, ok, I can see how that can be rough on the ham side of things.

> YEp, I used the digital thing as an example.  AT one time
> everybody used the code, because that's what there was.
> THere were few local links on vhf and uhf, so relaying
> messages was vital, so you learned the skills of
> transmitting radiograms, because that gave you the audit
> trail (think seen-by and path lines) you learned some
> technical basics.  NOw the tech heads who aren't interested
> in operating but enjoy the experimenting learn their
> compartment, the digital guys learn their thing, etc. etc.

Specializing kind of?

> YEs the licensing is supposed to test you on a smattering of knowledge in all
> the basics, but it's very basic to all the
>various facets.  What you actually get at the entry level is truly a learner's
> permit.

Makes sense.. I can understand why it can only cover the basics.

>> At a time when mentoring is most needed we have less of it.
>> Fidonet is fortunate in that regard, if you're interested
>> enough at all to get involved you have somebody to turn to
>> which can help you understand what's happening.  Witness
>> some of our recent discussions in fn_sysop and z1c with a
>> fairly new sysop and nc and our working to get him up to
>> speed on the history and culture that made FIdonet what it
>> is.

>> Yes, we certainly have a lot of folks around who can point people in
>> the right direction for information.

> Indeed, because the technical part one can learn, but some
> of the cultural ramifications take some wrapping one's head
> around.

We have the tutorials.. we have the people with experience.. we have the 'old
salts' <grin>.. we need to keep young people interested and writing code.. :)

>>>> I have to admit though, I did love Richard's line about
>>>> Scotty's transporter :) :) :)  (being a trekkie and all that
>>>> <grin>)

>>> YEah I know, I'm more like BOnes, I'm not sure I'd want my
>>> atoms scattered around by that thing, maybe it wouldn't put
>>> me back together correctly <grin>.

>>> hahaha :)
>>I can see it now, as it's trying to put the guy's lower half together it goes
>> blue screen <g>.

>> No no!  We don't want to see that splat :) :)

> <rotfl>  YEah I can see it now.  I'm even leery of the car
> that drives itself though should it come to pass.  IT would
> appear on the surface to be a boon to somebody like me, but
> I want that human judgment call when it's necessary.

hahahahaha Me too :) :)  Not that I don't trust some else's judgement about
what's good for technology buuuttttt.... <grin>

> IF the self propelled
> self driven vehicle working with the aware
> smart net which routes traffic ever crumps I want it to come to a screeching
> halt at the first safe opportunity and do
> nothing!  Also, if it's going to be self directed vehicles
> as part of a smart network, that means I don't want grandpa
> in his old RAmbler as part of it, I want everything to be
> plugged into said network so that when the network crumps
> because it can't reconcile its data everything comes to a
> halt right here, right now!!!

Yeah.. automatic shutdown failsafe-immediate-stop-bigRed-Button!

:)

Take care,
Janis

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