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Skriven 2011-11-22 17:21:20 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
     Kommentar till en text av Nick Andre
Ärende: Trolling For Trolls
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Hello Nick,

Nick Andre -> Nicholas Boel explained on 11/21/2011 :
 NA> On 20 Nov 11  15:03:48, Nicholas Boel said the following to Ross Cassell:

 >> My question is why have you appointed yourself the echo police has
 NA> Wisconsin
 >> State law forbidden the use of the right arrow key?

 NB>> Someone has to do it. Otherwise this crap will go on forever with your
 NA> "I'm
 NB>> better than all of you, and don't have to listen to anyone, because I'm
 NA> a
 NB>> `star' hub and you're not" attitude.


NA>I've been watching this thread for a little bit and although
NA>I'm not playing devils advocate here and you may disagree...
NA>Roy and Ross are very nice people whom I've chatted with and
NA>they get my respect.

My, my.  You are deluded.  Even if an individual may be civil
in public does not mean he/she is a kind and decent person.
Some may even be monsters.

NA>And I'm saying this as a Fido author who dealt with a LOT
NA>of criticisms. Although I don't know you and maybe >we've
NA>said proverbial hellos in other nets (or not), I think that
NA>you cannot necessarily form an opinion of them based on the
NA>relentless trolling thread.

Being a troll is not necessarily a bad thing.  However, that is
not the issue.  And you know it.  What the "troika" has done is
inexcuseable.  Ross Cassell is part of that "troika", along with
Janis Kracht and Bob Seaborn.  Nicholas Boel is not part of that
"troika", and apparently had nothing to do with their actions.

NA>And whats more strange is that I consider the Zone 2 co-ordinator
NA>Ward to be a friend, I've met him in person and he is nothing like
NA>how Ross and Roy may view him or protray him. I've chatted with him
NA>on the phone many times. Same with Michiel and even Bjorn whom I've
NA>exchanged messages with a few times (I'll take any flames over this
NA>statement lightheartedly).

Ward Dossche is not a member of the so-called "troika".  Ward Dossche
had nothing to do with the actions of the so-called "troika".  Not only
is Ward Dossche the present Zone 2 Coordinator, but he is also the
current International Coordinator (to the best of my knowledge he has
never resigned his position, and cannot be forced out as it would
take at least 4 ZC votes against him).  Since Janis Kracht is not
a member of the Fidonet community, Zone 1 lacks a Zone Coordinator.
Zone 6 has been dismissed by Zone 1, meaning there in effect no
Zone 6 Coordinator.  That leaves only Zone 2, Zone 3, Zone 4, and
Zone 5 as having a legitimate Zone Coordinator.

Bottom line - Unless Ward Dossche chooses to remove himself as
Zone 2 Coordinator (and International Coordinator), Ward Dossche
will remain Zone 2 Coordinator and International Coordinator.

NA>I was told something by Ward in a diner outside of Quebec City
NA>that Echomail trolling and flaming back and forth is one thing but
NA>in most circumstances if there were a casual gathering over beer
NA>and wings, it would probably be some very friendly lighthearted
NA>conversation.

Charles Manson was a nice guy.  A nice guy who never killed anybody.
Had lots of friends.  In Hollywood.  Took a jury almost an entire
year to find him guilty.  Of conspiracy.  Although he has been
eligible for parole for years, he will never be released from prison.
The last time his face was shown in public was at least ten years
ago.  A most civil man.  Before his forced incarceration.

The Unabomber was a nice guy.
Timothy McVeith was a nice guy.
There are lots of other killers
who are/were nice guys.

The point is, just because an individual may be civil (in
public or in private) does not mean that same individual is
a kind and decent person.

IOW, you cannot tell a book by its cover.

NA>So in dealing with Ross and Roy... those guys have been
NA>around a long time and deserve respect

Pope John Paul II was around for 26 years as pope.
For the first 25 years of his papacy, he did absolutely
nothing in regards to the pedophiles within his church.
And in his last year, he did very little of what was
needed, and then only because the scandal had been made
public and was so widespread.

That is not an anti-Catholic comment.  It is merely
a statement showing that longevity does not make things
right.  Had Adolf Hitler lived to remain in power for
forty years longer, would that have made him a kind and
decent person?  Somethow I don't think so.  Even though
Adolf Hitler was Catholic, and never excommunictated.

NA>and they both do have stories to share,

I do not care about their stories.  What the "troika"
did was wrong, plain and simple.  And their actions should
be condemned.  By all.

NA>if you take a step back and maybe try a different approach.

A "different approach"?  Come on, man.  Get a life.  P4
states quite clearly that the penalty for such action is
"automatic excommunication" from the Fidonet community.

NA>I promise you that they may overlook the trolling thread
NA>if it was just dropped and a different topic chosen altogether...
NA>making it worth your while to hang out in Fidonet.

You really are deluded.  All that would happen is trollers
would simply start a different troll.  And go from there.

--Lee

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