Text 23076, 65 rader
Skriven 2011-11-25 16:12:31 av Nicholas Boel (2424.fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 23069 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: See what I mean...read the bottom line
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  Re: See what I mean...read the bottom line
  By: Roy Witt to Nicholas Boel on Thu Nov 24 2011 06:24 pm

 > They do and for a very good reason; the essential trades are supported by
 > the Department of Labor and offer incentives to companies who offer an
 > apprenticeship to their employees. That incentive is government funds to
 > help defray the costs of education and wages. My education was in a
 > company provided classroom while later classes were sent to a Junior
 > College for that. It wasn't around when I was an apprentice.

While the building trades aren't essential, this is probably one good reason
non-union tradesman don't have to serve an apprenticeship. Just strap on a tool
belt and start screwing it all up! :)

 > I know that Micro Switch stopped training T&D Makers and Mold Makers and
 > are using outside (not offshore) sources for their tooling. One or two
 > that I know of for sure had gotten their training at Micro and eventually
 > set up shop for themselves. They're now training (don't know about federal
 > funding) people in their shops to do the work they used to do for Micro as
 > an employee. Besides myself, I know a friend of mine who was in my class
 > that has a shop of his own in Missouri, retiring about the same time I
 > did, but had moved his shop from the area around Micro, doing their work
 > for them. Another close friend spent a lot of time working for Chrysler at
 > their plant in Belvidere, IL.. We speak often as he and I spent 2 solid
 > years, 2 hours per day together in a high school vocational machine shop
 > before going to work for Micro, although he was in the T&D class ahead of
 > mine.

So they've stopped the apprenticeship? Are more and more T&D/Mold making
companies following suit?

 > There are T&D shops all over the midwest from Minnesota to Michigan and
 > Ohio as far south as Memphis and Atlanta. All offering training.

Training in the sense of a real apprenticeship by today's standards? Or are
they sending them to school and paying for it?

 > 8^) I remembered that it's framed and mounted on the wall behind me and
 > read that info off of it. I do however, remember H. Willard Wirtz as the
 > Secretary of Labor back in the day.

That's a hell of a good place to put it. I might just do the same!

 > LOL! You don't have to be a union member to do that, but it helps. I have
 > a 45yo friend here who works in a non-union shop (custom wire cable
 > manufacturer) where nothing gets done because the employees are busy
 > shootin' the bull, smokin' tobacco and weed and drinking coffee all day
 > long. They'd be working or out the door if I was their boss.

It's surprising they're still around, to be honest.

 > That's the scenario above, people come in on weekends and do the same
 > thing they did all week. That and they have one person stick around and
 > everyone else goes home, while the person who stays punches their time
 > cards when he goes home.

So basically, that company will probably go under eventually. Either that or
it's owned by a billionaire that just doesn't care whether it makes money or
not. 

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