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Skriven 2011-11-27 12:57:59 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
     Kommentar till en text av Lee Lofaso
Ärende: Echo List Service
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26 Nov 11 20:18, Lee Lofaso wrote to All:

LL> "It's not compulsory that your echo be on the listing, it's merely a
LL> service to let people know whats available." - Denise Webber, Zone3
LL> Elist Keeper, 1996

Yeup.

LL> One can argue that anybone who doesn't register an echo has no right
LL> to claim moderatorship of that echo.  Or do they?  After all, no
LL> private elisting has any official status in FidoNet.

Actually, in Z1, the echolist has been used in an official capacity by
the backbones who distribute echoes world wide to ensure that there is a
moderator and that the moderator has properly shown the capacity to
provide such addresses as needed to send and receive netmail or email so
that the backbones have a way to keep in touch, just in case something
like a feed cut request by a person NOT the echolisted moderator may make.

Your friend, Bob Klahn comes to mind in that scenario.

What better way do you think is there to ensure that the request is from a
legitimate source?

LL> Has anybody ever noticed that Bj"rn Felten did in fact elistt the
LL> Fidonews echo on Thom LaCosta's private elisting?

Well, he tried to, but he never got the brass ring for his failed attempt.

Instead the Felten insisted, against the rules of the echolist, that all
of the previous Fidonew editors be listed in the echolist as moderators,
even though there was no space for that list in the entry.

Knowing the echolist software as I do, there is only room for two
moderator's names to be listed. What Felten attempted to do was rejected
by the echolist keeper, as the listing didn't comply with his mode
operendi'...

Seeing this, Jack Yates echolisted the echo and named himself as moderator
here, recognizing the Felten as merely the Z2 moderator. When Jack left
Fidonet a few years ago, Ross inherited the listing from Jack, thus
making him the Z1 moderator in the process with the same recognition of
the Felten in Z2. When the Felten failed to curtail his constant jibberish
about Z1, America especially, after ten years of which everyone was tired
of hearing, your hero was cut off from the echo he thought he owned.

Surprise, surprise.

I know your loyalties are with the Felten and I also know that you've
burned way too many bridges to be allowed to return to the Z1 fold, at
least in this echo. Like Ross has said and you have quoted; you and the
Felten are using each other to ill gain. Too bad you're both rogues in
your own little corner of Fidonet because when he fails, so do you.

LL> Now ask yourself this one, simple question -

LL> Why should anybody be forced to register their own echo again?

No one is forced to register an echo, it's just a list of echoes available
on the backbones. If you want your echo carried, you don't need an
echolisting to do so. All you need do is ask, show that you're the
moderator and it will be carried.

LL> That clearly makes no sense.

Neither do you, most of the time.

LL> Unless, of course, there is a conspiracy to have that echo removed or
LL> taken away from the moderator of record.

LOL! IF the echolist keeper is an honest person, that shouldn't be a
problem. Notice I said IF.

The echolist is proof of who the moderator is for use by the backbones to
distribute or continue to distribute an echo. Failure to echolist your
echo could leave it open for anyone to list and they'd become the
recognized moderator. They used to have the same set up in Z2, but for
some strange reason, dropped their own echolist and most began to use the
Z1 echolist. I suspect that moderators get their echoes distributed over
there by asking permission from the Z2C first.

However, watch out for the Z1 echolist keeper, because he's an expired
echolisting grabber and won't give anyone else the chance to get it before
he does. Been there and have seen him do that..


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