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Skriven 2011-12-18 20:48:13 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Ward's article
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Hello Robert,

On Sunday December 18 2011 08:47, you wrote to me:

 RB>>> The difference is that Helmut never stopped until he was actually
 RB>>> kicked out.

 MV>> The difference exists only in your perception. It just moved
 MV>> somwehere else where you don't read. It has not stopped, the
 MV>> blockade achieved nothing.

 RB> Is that a suggestion to drop Bjorn from the nodelist, as Helmut was
 RB> dropped? That certainly helped in Helmut's case.

No, if it were a suggestion to drop anyone from the nodelist, it would be Ross
or Björn. As you wrote in another message, it is pointless to point the finger
at who started it, there is no dount in my mind who keeps it going. I suggest
you reread my FidoNews article about "tit for TAT".  If you do nit want to
search the archives, you cab read it here:
http://www.vlist.org/columns_en/tit_for_tat.htm


 MV>> It has merely moved elsewhere. How about this one:

 RC>>> Does anyone remember the cancer doing this?

 MV>> That was a quote from yesterday.

 RB> Where? And in reply to what?

Does it matter wher? As to your second question, it was not a reply, it was the
start of a new thread.

In my mind, there is no doubt as to who keeps it going and it is not Björn.

 RB> P.S. This is the kind of thing Bjorn is writing in enet.sysop:

ENET.SYSOP is a Z2 sysop area. If Z1 sysops do not like what they can read
there, they should leave.

 RB>    Being a long time member of Greenpeace, I'm concerned with such
 RB> data, as it is proof of global warming caused by the major US
 RB> oilcompanies. So if you can find some data about it, I would very much
 RB> appreciate it.

And the problem is?

 RB> Now, do you or anyone else _really_ believe a) that "global warming",
 RB> assuming it's a fact,

It is a proven fact.

 RB> is _caused_ by oil companies (much less intentionally, as is implied)
 RB> or that b) _only_ "major US" oil companies exist and are bound and
 RB> determined to "cause" this? Are Royal Dutch Shell and BP, not to
 RB> mention Total (France) suddenly "US

It is a proven fact that US Americans are on top of the list of per capita CO2
emitters. There is no doubt in my mind and presumably also in Björn's that
there is a direct relation between human produced CO2 and the global warming.
That is my considered opinion as a scientist and I'll be damned if I can not
voice that opinion in my onw house, only because some invited guest does not
like to hear the inconvenient truth.

If the guest doe not like that, he/she has to option to leave.

 RB> Of course not. Even if you share his opinion, you realize that you
 RB> don't make friends - but can easily make enemies - by insulting other
 RB> people or their countries or institutions. But is that _really_ what
 RB> fido is all about?

It is what Guys like Roy and Ross have made it by 15 years of spewing insults
and country bashing.


Cheers, Michiel

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