Text 24910, 89 rader
Skriven 2012-01-28 21:05:15 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 24899 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: Wannensee Conference
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Hello David,

 DD>> It doesn't matter where he is located - he is free to get his echo
 DD>> feeds from anyplace he wants - check Policy.

 LL>> Policy (P4) means nothing to the Ice Queen (except where it suits
 LL>> her evil purposes). For example, if Ed were to get his echo feeds
 LL>> outside of Zone 1, the Ice Queen will get her lapdog to cut Ed's
 LL>> feed, thus denying Ed the ability to provide his service for his
 LL>> BBS community.

DD>Are you reading what yu are writing Lee?

Yep.

DD>IF Ed were to get his feeds from elsewhere then there is NO feed
DD>for the "Ice Queen" and her lackies to cut.

That's right.  And yet, that is her (and her lackies) threat.

 LL>> IOW, the Ice Queen will cry "foul" if Ed or any other sysop from
 LL>> Zone 1 were to try to defy her rule. Not only would the sysop lose
 LL>> his/her feed, but the sysop would also lose ownership of his/her
 LL>> node.

DD>ONly the number can be delisted - the node still belongs to the
DD>sysop. The simple answer to that is to relist elsewhere - I did.

By that logic, Björn Felten is the rightful owner of the same
node that Nick Kill claims.  Or rather, the node that Janis Kracht
assigned to him.

Can a FidoNet sysop in Zone 1 relist his/her node in a different
zone?  If so, would that node be the same node, or what it be a
different node?  If it is the same node, then FidoNet is not based
on zones, the concept being moot.

 LL>> Policy (P4) says that any FidoNet sysop who ignores Policy (P4)
 LL>> is automatically excommunicated from FidoNet.

DD>Or not - depends on the local hierachy.

If a zone coordinator claims to be King of the Hill, who is to
challenge him/her?  If a zone coordinator chooses to protect his/her
underlings, who is able to challenge that authority?  The only real
solution to fix that problem is automatic excommunication.

 LL>> * The Ice Queen has chosen to ignore Policy (P4) by allowing FidoNet
 LL>> sysop applicants to use an alias/handle as being their real name, both
 LL>> in the application process *and* in posting/receiving public messages.

DD>Policy doesn't mention echo mail as such. Aliases are acceptab;e if
DD>the moderator/rules say so.

P4 mentions that all individuals *must* use their real names in
applying to become a FidoNet sysop.  No ifs, ands, or buts about
it.

According to Janis (not P4) moderators are allowed to use a
handle/alias, as well as Fidonet sysops.  But not individuals,
unless a moderator chooses to allow such use.

You can easily see how this can be abused (and is being abused).
An individual using a fake name as his/her real name can apply to
become a FidoNet sysop, and upon approval of said application is
free to use that fake name as his/her real name in all echoes, as
well as who to contact on his/her BBS.  The same applies for every
individual who decides to name himself/herself as moderator of a
FidoNet echo, the difference being a moderator does not have to
be a FidoNet sysop.

Since that is the case, why should any individual, whether they
be a sysop, moderator, FidoNet administrator, or regular joe, be
forced to use their real name?

 LL>> * The Ice Queen has used a "cut and paste" method to "write"
 LL>> articles and recipes for her fake edition of the Fidonews.

 LL>> Okay, that last thing is not an actual violation of P4 ...

DD>If she didin't credit the source it is unethical and probably in
DD>contravention with those RIAAA dudes.

Or maybe she just isn't a very good cook.  :)

--Lee

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