Text 25784, 128 rader
Skriven 2012-02-25 11:20:09 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 25743 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Fidonews v29, n8 mes
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25 Feb 12 00:03, Dale Shipp wrote to Roy Witt:

 DS>> AND you might want to go back and look at what I said and to whom I
 DS>> said it.  I was talking to Björn who was moaning about how Janis
 DS>> messed up

 RW>> Bjorn was/is, no doubt, pulling your leg.

 DS> Björn was, as usual, taking an opportunity to denigrate anyone in Z1
 DS> and especially on the NAB -- even if he was, as usual, blowing smoke.

Whatever, the fact is that they were received at Bjorn's system and passed
on to Michiel, etc..

 DS>> and so he did not get all of the issue from Nick.

 RW>> I wouldn't believe your source for that, even if you paid me.

 DS> I wouldn't pay you for anything.  My source for saying that Björn did
 DS> not get the messages is by looking at messages on his BBS.

And you've been apprised of that falicy, as in; "passes through" his
system, but doesn't appear on his BBS, as stated to you by the falsely
accused...

 DS>>  If you check that path line you will see that it is: 261/1406 ->
 DS>> 261/38 -> 320/119 -> 203/0.

 RW>> Which is irrelevant, as the only one who has complained about not

 DS> Pay attention -- it is the only thing relevant to what I have been
 DS> talking about.

That's because you don't know what you're talking about. You've made false
accusations and presented falsehoods on evidence that doesn't support your
position.

 DS> I have not been talking about Nick.  Let me recap for you in simple
 DS> steps so that you might be able to understand them:

You have to include the facts, which you haven't used to support your
position! Instead you've taken everything out of context and made up
things which have been proven not to be true.

 DS> 1. messages were missed by some systems.

Two...

 DS> 2. Janis proposed a probable cause -- namely that some systems
 DS> trapped them as dupes because of having over zealous dupe detection
 DS> settings.

Which has been proven to be false by those who've stated that they have
seen them.

 DS> 3. Björn ridiculed her and claimed that it was all her fault.

Which, as it turns out, is a fact and not fiction.

 DS> 4. I confirmed that such settings exist (E.g. SQUISH has such a
 DS> setting if one does not comment it out).

Big deal...that doesn't do anything to negate the facts.

 DS> 5. I looked at Björn's BBS and saw that *HE* was in fact missing
 DS> those same messages -- ergo he, or one of his links, had killed them.

Which was pointed out to you that they won't appear on his BBS, since what
goes to his system from Janis' is 'passed through' and won't ever appear
on his BBS. I would do the same thing if I were in his position as Editor
of Fidonews.

 DS> 6. His link for FIDONEWS confirmed that the messages left his BBS on
 DS> their way to Björn.

And Bjorn's downlinks have stated that they have seen them.

 DS> Any other discussion you have been having with your hand another
 DS> matter.

You're ignoring the facts while blinding yourself with both hands, again.

 RW>> Wrong, as Michiel, who is directly connected to Bjorn has stated
 RW>> that he's seen all of Nick's messages.

 DS> Michiel has various links to FIDONEWS.  He has not yet said to my
 DS> knowledge where he got the messages.

He has confirmed that Nick's nodenumber was included in the path, thus
all 12 messages were passed to Bjorn's system onto his downlinks.

 DS>> It was not Janis that did it -- it was Björn.

 RW>> Nope. Janis received Nick's messages and sent them through the NAB
 RW>> to Seaborn. Who has stated that after further review he hadn't
 RW>> received all 12 of them either.

 DS> Again -- another path from the one I was talking about.  If Seaborn
 DS> did not receive them, he'd have to look in his logs or dupe message
 DS> area to find out why.

Seaborn is silent in that regard, as he is unwilling to support the truth.

Part of the Troika inner conspiracy, you know.

 RW>> And yet uplinks and downlinks either side of Bjorn have seen
 RW>> them...odd that you would consider a dupe check deleted them at his
 RW>> systme, yet those messages made it to his downlinks!

 DS> I conclude that Björn's system deleted them because they are not
 DS> present on his system and yet it has been confirmed that they were
 DS> sent to his system.

It has also been confirmed that they passed through Bjorn's system. You're
now stuck with the facts backed by all those involved, which refutes your
position entirely. Your conclusion is like an ASSumption, making a bigger
and bigger ass of yourself as you rail on.


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