Text 26139, 173 rader
Skriven 2012-02-29 15:01:27 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
  Kommentar till text 26094 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: Solstice ceremonies
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HI Roy,

On Tue 2012-Feb-28 10:51, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:

<snip>
 Roy>> Not quite how you should address a LEO. "I'm sorry officer, but
 Roy>> upon advice from my lawyer, I wish to remain silent until he
 Roy>> arrives and he and I have a private discussion of events."

 RW> And that's exactly how i phrased it one time iirc.  Wasn't
 RW> re a firearms related incident, but a business partner I got involved
 RW> with for awhile who was less than ethical and honorable shall we say.

Roy> I think I've been there myself. A friend and I were driving in an
Roy> industrial area of San Jose' at night and got pulled over. You know
Roy> the drill; he was leaning on his hands over the hood, I was doing
Roy> the same over the trunk. The officer who was at my end of the car
Roy> asked me why I was hanging out with a known criminal with an arrest
Roy> record longer than his arm and I had no such history.

OH yeah, been in several of those similar, especially
traveling with a rock band in the '70's with a bunch of us,
long haired nefarious looking characters stopping at some
out of the way place at night to gas up the van adn the
truck full of gear, or taking the two lanes.

Roy> I couldn't answer that one...as I didn't know anything about his
Roy> record before that cop told me about it.

YEah, well this business associate, I was starting to get
bad vibes about some fo his activities, but he was paying me well, I had a new
baby and was doing well for a young man,
so I sort of shut up and looked the other way at things,
until the leos came to pay me a visit.

 RW> Yep, at the time of the little thing i mentioned above
 RW> lawyer was a client of mine for audio services.

Roy> So you got a discount.

Oh yeah, and she wanted me free and loose and working for
her when she did her weekend music thing, and recording her
stuff.  She sat down with me, got the whole story and told
me that we were gonna sing the leos a little song <g>.

 PQ>>> Oh, and BTW, check with the local gendarmes about that pepper
 PQ>>> spray. It may not be 'legal'.
<snip>
 Roy>> Early on I learned the 'trap' laws in California. i.e. I had a
 Roy>> model-T Ford coil attached to the body of a car that had previously
 Roy>> had 8-track (remember those?) tapes stolen from it. I removed the
 Roy>> device upon advice from the investigative LEO who told me that in
 Roy>> doing so, I had set myself up for manslaughter charges if the thief
 Roy>> had died from the shock.

 RW> Which could happen easily enough <g>.  Remember the guy in
 RW> MIami who got tired of the miscreants breaking into his
 RW> store through the skylight and set up something similar and
 RW> ended up frying a perp?

Roy> Yeup. Remember the guy in NO who laid in waiting for the person who
Roy> was bagging dog shit and throwing it on his porch after lighting the
Roy> bag?

YEp, remember him too!

Roy> I wonder if he's out of prison yet.

Don't know, haven't heard about that one for a long time.

 RW>>  but thorny bushes near windows and the like can be a deterrent, and
 RW>> aren't against the law.

 Roy>> That's correct. They do in affect, lead anyone who intends to enter
 Roy>> your house to a place where you can expect them to be when the
 Roy>> alarm sounds.

As well as act as a deterent for those just looking for easy opportunity.

 RW>> oh, and as for peper spray, mace and the like, not hardly.

 Roy>> That is affective, if done properly.

 RW> That's the operative word here, if done properly.  Not
 RW> something the untrained is gonna do in a panic situation.

Roy> That is something they teach at local shooting ranges here. You can
Roy> take it with your CHL class if you have an inclination to use pepper
Roy> spray.

A leo associate of mine taught my ex wife  how to use hers
effectively.  She lived in not the best of neighborhoods,
and would often be found walking from the bus stop to her
apartment building a couple blocks after dark.

<snip>
 Roy>> I also like that kind of gun control, which is why my newest Kimber
 Roy>> .45 is equipped with a laser site...damn thing could almost be used
 Roy>> for a flashlight at night.

 RW> YEp, I was reading though where they tell folks even if your piece
 RW> has such a thing, have a separate flashlight.

Roy> The Kimber has a Crimson Trace laser built into the grip on the
Roy> trigger side (right handed, right side, left handed vice versa). The
Roy> instructions are to place your trigger finger so that it blocks the
Roy> laser when you're seeking a purp's location; with a flashlight in
Roy> your other hand. At night that laser is so bright, it would give you
Roy> away to a person hiding around a corner, long before you got there.

YEp, the other reason they suggest a separate flashlight is
so that you point the flashlight at a possible leo and not
the weapon.

<snip>
Roy> Sometimes I get the impression from the LEOs that they'd rather see
Roy> a dead purp than have to deal with taking them to jail and have a
Roy> judge release them the next day.

Especially with those who are likely to do home invasion
type stuff.  These guys are the epitome of residivism.

 RW>> but believe me, I've got a lady that isn't exactly ambulatory
 RW>> and I'm a short blind dude, if you break into my home i
 RW>> perceive you as a threat.  Even if I might not be able to
 RW>> prove it, as long as nobody calls the man whatever's left
 RW>> goes in the freezer, and the rottie can enjoy it later,
 RW>> including the bones after she's removed teh meat.  Evidence, what
 RW>> evidence? I've got a big enough freezer, tain't no problem <g>.

 Roy>> Lol!

 RW> Figured you'd like that.

Roy> It reminded me of a guy in San Diego who had a 'herd' of Rotties
Roy> guarding his show truck in a high crime area of town. If you were
Roy> black or an infrequent visiter, such as I was, he had to come to the
Roy> gate and escort you through the yard. There was one particular
Roy> Rottie that never let me pet him. A raised or reaching hand would
Roy> come back as a bloody stump.

YEp, ours is mostly a lover not a fighter, but she'll sure
put the fear in a stranger.
A friend of mine had his rehearsal space etc. guarded by two dobermans, one
liked me, I could hang out, probably could
have walked in there when he wasn't home and he'd have come
up to be petted.  the other had a real dislike for me, and
it all stemmed from one night when we were hanging out
drinking.  ON my way to tye boys' room I accidentally
stepped on him, and it was iirc my second visit to his
place.  i never could make friends with that dog afterword.

 RW>> ... Ted KEnnedy has killed more people with his car than I have with
 RW>> my guns.

 RW>> 8^)

 RW> THought you'd like that one too.  Guy used to use that in
 RW> one of the ham newsgroups on USenet years ago, that's where
 RW> i stole it <g>.

Roy> I've seen it here in Fidonet before. Haven't seen it in a long
Roy> while.

Yep, I know it was mid '90's when I first saw it.  Even when manually
reconstructing tagline lists that one always made
it.


Regards,
           Richard
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