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Skriven 2012-03-02 06:17:52 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 26287 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: Fidonews v29, n8 mes
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01 Mar 12 20:16, mark lewis wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>> While that person's downlink has said that he only got the first
 RW>>> page from 140/1...

 ml>> wha have other downlinks from 140/1 stated?

 RW>> Ask them.

 ml> i just did ;)

If you mean me, Wrong! I source this echo from the same node that Janis
does and feed it to Roger Nelson. If anything, 140/1 is a downlink of
Roger's, with his permission or without is yet to be determined here.

It may be unknown to Roger because of a unilateral areafix by Seaborn on
Roger's system. That has yet to be determined. I know that I wouldn't
approve of it. Seaborn knows that too.

[fault, his or hers?]

 ml>> how would that even be possible with today's tossing software and
 ml>> the way it operates? you're talking as if there are separate stages
 ml>> similar to the old methods of "double tossing" and the like...

 RW>> Who knows what happens on anybody's system but the system owner
 RW>> themselves?

 ml> true... to an extent... how many sysops really know what formula(s)
 ml> are used by their tosser software?

They don't need to know that, Observation of what happens to tossed mail
is all that's needed. One can observe these things by using software that
is written to test certain mail, such as Bogus, No Bogus and F**k No
Bogus...

Create problematic pkts with known 'Bogus' check points in it and you'll
find out easy enough what happens.

 DS>>> his nntp server (part of his system).

 RW>>> Which is not a BBS...

 ml>> that's beside the point... he brings the mail in... some of it
 ml>> passes thru to other systems... you cannot passthru the same areas
 ml>> that you participate in...

 RW>> Oh?

 ml> yup... you show me how i can passthru an echo and still be able to
 ml> have 2-way conversations with others in said echo...

I already have. :)

 ml> NOTE: we are not playing games here where a sysop may have more than
 ml> one system and/or tosser... the statement is about one system and
 ml> that being the one that the sysop participates from...

Awwww. You gave away the secret. You can't leave out that scenario because
it's very much a probabilty...

 ml>>  so how can he participate in this area yet have it on passthru?
 RW>> He's already explained that to you. 2:203/0 > 02 > 280/5555

 ml> that's multiple systems... but the conversation does not indicate
 ml> such...

Ok, how about, if he told you how it's done, he'd have to kill you after.

You being the thorn in his hide for what, 20 years now?

 RW>> A manual extraction of what he ports back to /0 isn't out of the
 RW>> question.

 ml>>  it is not possible on a single system with a single tosser...

 RW>> Exactly.

 ml> thank you! so someone is playing games...

Your words, not mine. Thanks (Michiel)...

 ml>> yet michael has just stated that he didn't read the messages but hit
 ml>> the [NEXT] button... if he did that, he cannot know for certain if
 ml>> that system was in the PATH or not...

 RW>> He did say that Nick's nodenumber was in the path...have you ever
 RW>> seen Michiel make an assumption based on not knowing.

 ml> no i haven't but he did state that he made an assumption which is
 ml> also out of character...

8^) Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...

 ml>  he has states that he didn't read the message that he said he saw
 ml> nick's nunber in and that he hit the [NEXT] key... so which is it? he
 ml> either saw and read the contol lines or he didn't...

I've never been to Michiel's house to observe what or how he reads mail,
thus you'll have to take his word for what he tells you.

I'm sure that he knows one way or the other.


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