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Skriven 2012-03-28 05:24:13 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 27292 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Fidonews Vol 29 No 09 February 27, 2012 Page: 2
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26 Mar 12 23:22, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> It was your false accusation that pissed me off.

 RW>> You should have told me about the bug... 8^)

 MvdV> I DID! But nobody seemed to care or it just got lost in the noise.

Probably both.

 RW>>>> Fortunatly cooler heads prevailed and someone who had the
 RW>>>> authority to addresss the ZCC spoke out and they voted to
 RW>>>> nullify the IC's decision.

 MvdV>>> And killing the IC position and interzonal coordination in the
 MvdV>>> process. yeah great going.

 RW>> My pleasure. The IC was playing politics with the PC you filed and

 MvdV> That's your POV.

And that of many others who were also aware of the PC.

 MvdV> But of course you - being the accused - were not objective.

Actually, I had nothing to do with the outcome whatsoever. I only learned
of the PC a month or so after the fact. That was when you jumped down the
throat of my RC and ordered her to make a decision.

 MvdV> As i see it the IC was just doing his job: ruling on an appeal that
 MvdV> landed on his desk.

As my RC saw it, there was no relevancy to his need to step in.

 RW>> there wasn't much interzonal coordination going on,

 MvdV> There never was. Not in the entire history of FidoNews.

 RW>>  except ignorable IC orders from on his high horse...

 MvdV> What is the point of agreeing to an appeal authority and an appeal
 MvdV> procedure if when push comes to shove, one will only accept a
 MvdV> ruling that upholds the ruling that is appelaed against?

The point was and still is, the IC is not the highest authority of an
appeal process.

 MvdV>>> Plus setting the precendent that it is OK to password out
 MvdV>>> someone you don't like.

 RW>> That was a precedent set long before I came along. ZC approved
 RW>> during

 MvdV> And by implication overruled by the IC's ruling.

George Peace was the IC who approved of the precedent. Ward overstepped
his authority to rule against a former IC, without consulting the ZC on
the precedents used in Z1. The aftermath of his own agenda in the PC as
ZC2 AND IC was of his own making, which eventually caused his demise as
the IC.

 MvdV> Happens all the time in real life doesn't it?  Does npt your
 MvdV> supreme court on occasion rule laws as unconstitutional and
 MvdV> therefore null and void?

As did the ZCC...

 MvdV> Installing a password for a node without informing the sysop what
 MvdV> it is, is and was always considered a violation of policy outside
 MvdV> Z1. And the IC's ruling reflected that.

Meaning that the IC was mis-informed of reality in Z1...not to mention his
inability to think outside the box.

 RW>>>> authority to addresss the ZCC spoke out and they voted to
 RW>>>> nullify the IC's decision.

 MvdV> Problem with that is that very few outside Z1 believed that the Ice
 MvdV> Queen played fair.

What outsiders believed is irrelevant, unless they were flys on the wall
who witnessed what was happening inside the box.

 MvdV> Reviving ZC6 from the dead... Oh c'mon, he was uncontactable
 MvdV> /except/ by routed mail via ZC1.

None the less, he was contacted and not just by the ZC1...xxcarol was in
contact with him as well. Apparently, Bin Lee can speak English or xxCarol
can speak his language, as she has related several discussions between
them. And frankly, I'd believe what xxCarol has to say over anything Ward
would have to say about it because she's not a liar in my book.

That he could't understand the broken English of a person with a European
accent such as yours or Wards is understandable. As I have a problem with
understanding such people as well. That is, unless I'm concentrating on
understanding what is being said.

I also have a problem with native English speakers such as Brits, Scots
and Irishmen...most of whom have a chip on their shoulder and aren't worth
listening to anyway.

 MvdV> What credibility has that? Bin Lee was either a figment of ZC1's
 MvdV> imigination or he had no idea what it was all about.

None the less, as the ZC6 he had a vote, ignorant of the circumstances or
not. That Ward would label him as a non-entity only gives credence to the
fact that he was out-voted.

 MvdV> The result is that interzonal coordination is dead because few
 MvdV> believe that when push comes to shove, ZC1 will play fair.

RC10, ZC1 and the ZCC all played fair in accordance with precedence and
procedures used in Z1. You and Ward can blame the not working interzonal
coordination upon yourselves because of your PC. Not to mention the
stupidity of the IC to attempt to make himself the "King of Fidonet"
when it didn't go according to plan...and we all know what that was!

 MvdV> She will either cheat as happened in the appeal you mentioned or
 MvdV> she will revert to right of might as happened with FidoNews.

 MvdV> Oh well....

Oh well...you win some and you lose some. Such is life.


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