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Skriven 2012-04-08 06:19:24 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 27729 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Fidonews Vol 29 No 09 February 27, 2012 Page: 2
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08 Apr 12 09:50, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> It was never 'merged' with P4

 MvdV>>> So? It says "may", not "must".

 RW>> May be merged doesn't allow a unilateral zonal policy to inflict
 RW>> unknown consequences on out of zone sysops.

 MvdV> It does not impose unknown consequences om out of zone sysops.

Until an attempt to remove a Z1 sysop from a "Z2 origin" echo is made.

Then we'll have to see how that works out.

 MvdV>  ... but if in your perception it does, y'all have set the
 MvdV> precedent when Z1 unilaterally adopted P4 and rammed it down the
 MvdV> throat of the rest of the world. So there ye go...

If y'all adopted it and are still using it, then y'all unilaterally agreed
to abide by it. Plus you had the opportunity to 'get out from under' when
you had a IC residing in your zone. He is still your ZC, so he can throw
it out or make you abide by it...his choice, not ours.

i.e. No one from Z1 shoved it down your throat.

 RW>>>>  Had any Z2 sysop attempt to use it on non-Z2 sysops been made,
 RW>>>> EAB policy complaints would have ensued.

 MvdV>>> File a complaints and see how far it flies.

 RW>> See above.

 MvdV> File a complaint or shut up.

When the opportunity presents itself, I will, but I'll never shut up about
it before then.

 MvdV>>> EP1 does not impose additional restrictions on Fdionet members
 MvdV>>> as it is about echomail, which by Z1 edict is not part of
 MvdV>>> Fidonet.

 RW>> Ahh, but the use of EP1 to set a precedent (excommunication) has
 RW>> already occured.

 MvdV> TTMBOK, no one was ever excommed on the basis of EP1.

Does it not state in P4 that annoying behavior and excessively annoying
behavior is excommunicable behavior?

If you use EP1 to claim that someone 'annoys' someone else, that is
covered by P4, in Z2...

 RW>>   To use it as a tool to remove any non-Z2 sysop from
 RW>> an echo by use of that policy is, by P4 definition, EAB.

 MvdV> TTMBOK that never happened. But if it did... tough luck.

For the Z2 sysop, yeah. But not for the rest of Fidonet...

 MvdV> Z2 adopted EP1 and there is nothing you or anyone else in Z1 can do
 MvdV> about it.

Until test time arrives.

 MvdV> So live with it.

I won't have to, but you do...

 RW>>>> 2:5022/165, JapanServer, Leninsky - etc...

 MvdV>>> The telephone number shown has country code 7. That's Russia.

 RW>> That was easily determined by the city name of Lenisky...it still
 RW>> says Japan Server in the BBS name field. Perhaps that node served as
 RW>> a hub between Japan and Z7 at one time, who knows.

 MvdV> Indeed, who knows. It is just speculation.

Of course it is, but then, why does Japan appear in the listing?

 MvdV> The BBS name does not mean very much and may suggest the
 MvdV> impossible. In the past I carried 'E=mC^2" in the system name
 MvdV> field. That suggest a lot, but means nothing really.

I did something similar but I've never played piano in a brothel or
resided anywhere near Moosle Beach Brothel.

 MvdV>>>>> It is painfully obvious that part of the nodelist is
 MvdV>>>>> hopelessly out of date.

 RW>>>> Someone should take that up with Steve Asher...

 MvdV>>> I let this cup pass....

 RW>> Too hot for your lips,

 MvdV> Let us say, i gpt tired of foghting wind mills.

8^)

 RW>>  but not so hot as to claim that it is 'painfully' out of date.

 MvdV> I did not claim it is "painfully out of date". I claimed it is
 MvdV> "painfully obvious" that it is oiut of date.

Note that 'painfully' is not a direct quote.

 MvdV> Are you denying it is out of date?

I wouldn't know unless Steve Asher himself confirmed that it is.

 RW>>>> without having to resort to yet another club to beat someone
 RW>>>> over the head; which is EP-Z2.

 MvdV>>> That's your opinion.

 RW>> Probably Helmut Hullen's opinion too.

 MvdV> HH was evicted on the basis of some R24 local policy. Apples and
 MvdV> oranges

Which is where TTBOMK the implemantation of EP1 occured.

                R\%/itt


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