Text 27778, 77 rader
Skriven 2012-04-09 05:10:49 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 27764 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: EP1
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09 Apr 12 15:19, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> It does not impose unknown consequences om out of zone sysops.

 RW>> Until an attempt to remove a Z1 sysop from a "Z2 origin" echo is
 RW>> made.

 MvdV> Throwing a user out of an echo is not an unknown consequence of
 MvdV> violating the rules.

Which is nearly an impossibility these days. Take Lee Lofaso for an
example. He has been thrown out of echoes so often that he's learned to
use different online BBSs to move right back in. If you have a 'rift'
between BBS sysops and Lee uses one of those BBS to join an echo, it is an
impossibility to remove him unless he causes that sysop some grief.

 MvdV>>>  ... but if in your perception it does, y'all have set the
 MvdV>>> precedent when Z1 unilaterally adopted P4 and rammed it down
 MvdV>>> the throat of the rest of the world. So there ye go...

 RW>> If y'all adopted it and are still using it, then y'all unilaterally
 RW>> agreed to abide by it.

 MvdV> [..]

 RW>> i.e. No one from Z1 shoved it down your throat.

 MvdV> That's one of the problems with you guys from Z1. You have been
 MvdV> ruling by right of might for so long, that you don't even realise
 MvdV> any more that you are doing it.

As a rule of thumb, I don't use P4 to rule by right of might. I pretty
much make up my own rules as I go along, ignoring most of P4 along the
way.

 MvdV> You make yourself believe the oppressed are doing it voluntarily.

If you're oppressed, it can only be by your immediate *C...seeing as how
you're an RC, that's pretty much a given that your ZC will tell you how to
comply with a policy that he continues to keep in place. Not to mention
one that has been rejected by Z1.

Afterall, if your zone can implement an echomail policy, it can just as
easily eject P4 and write your own zone policy. Watch out for those
Russkies though...

 MvdV>>> File a complaint or shut up.

 RW>> When the opportunity presents itself, I will, but I'll never shut up
 RW>> about it before then.

 MvdV> Your rants regarding EP1 will be ignored.

Until such time as my rants jeopardize that policy and a Z2 sysop wishes
to test the water.

 MvdV> Like it or not, Z2 has adopted EP1. You can stamp your feet and
 MvdV> bite your lip, it won't help

I'm not losing any sleep over a policy that has no jurisdiction outside of
your zone; that is until there is an attempt to use it in Z1.

 MvdV> , the days that Z1 can dictate all of Fidonet are gone forever.

The day that anyone can dictate that I shut up about it never began, so
live with that.


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