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Skriven 2012-05-22 19:32:40 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
  Kommentar till text 28856 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: The real free world..
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mark lewis wrote to Robert Bashe on Tuesday May 22 2012 at 12:26:

RB>> In Belgium and France, public wearing of a burkah with face veil is
RB>> meanwhile illegal.

ml> one might think it also illegal in numerous other countries where
ml> there is a preponderance of Big Brother cameras viewing the populace
ml> all the time ;)

Maybe. I've never tried to wear a black ski mask in public in Germany, but am
fairly sure it would at least draw attention. People who rob banks commonly use
such clothing.

One of the major problems, however, is that muslim women who want to wear a
face veil also want things like ID papers and drivers' licenses, where hiding
your face to prevent positive identification is rather frowned on in most
European countries.

RB>> People in the countries mentioned above are starting to think that
RB>> foreigners who want to live in _their_ country should behave
RB>> accourding to _their_ rules...

ml> that sounds exactly right... if i were to move to germany, i'd expect
ml> to have to learn german to get around... if i were to move to sweden,
ml> i would expect to have to learn swedish... if one moves to the USA or
ml> the UK, they should have to learn english...

There used to be a saying: "When in Rome, do as the Romans". That appears to
have been forgotten in many groups nowadays, including some composed of native
Europeans. My attitude is that you can carry tolerance too far, particularly
when it endangers your own culture. Do Germans want a muslim Germany with the
sharia replacing the Basic Law (what amounts to the constitution here)? I tend
to doubt that, and thought this kind of discussion had been settled once and
for all in Vienna in 1529 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna).

RB>> No, Wilders isn't an idiot. He's a sign of the times.

ml> so what it all the fuss about? sounds like he has stated what others
ml> are scared to state in public...

That's about what it amounts to - and is the reason WHY people are scared of
him. There are things it is not "politically correct" to say in public.
Particularly when they deal with muslims, who are not known for their even
tempers and reasonable dispositions. Remember the riots in the middle east
merely because some crazies (and I mean several _hundred_ crazies) objected to
a few cartoons in Denmark - people were killed then. The Dutch - and the
Germans too, for that matter, are scared spitless that something like that
could happen here if they _dare_ offend muslim sensitivities in any way.

Offending Christian sensitivities, on the other hand, is no real problem.
Nobody - even in the "Bible Belt" - is going to riot and kill people because of
that.

Cheers, Bob

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