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Skriven 2012-05-23 10:48:58 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
  Kommentar till text 28892 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Janis defintions...
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 ml>> not when you have agreed to follow the document so as to be a
 ml>> participating node of the network... this is a requirement for
 ml>> participation, ya know?

 MvdV>> Says who?

 MvdV>> I never signed a contract to the effect that I would follow P4

 ml> i said "agreed"... i didn't say anything about a signed paper
 ml> contract...

 MvdV> I never agreed to follow P4 to the letter.

there is nothing that says "follow policy partly" or "use the parts of policy
that you want"... it states it pretty bluntly, too...

[QUOTE]
2.1.2  Familiarity with Policy

In order to understand the meaning of "excessively annoying", it is incumbent
upon all sysops to occasionally re-read FidoNet policy.  **New sysops must
familiarize themselves with policy before requesting a node number.**

[emphasis mine]

2.2  How to obtain a node number

[trim]

**You must indicate that you have read, and agree to abide by, this document
and all the current policies of FidoNet.**

[trim]
[/QUOTE]

the word "must" does not leave any leeway...

 ml> but that also brings up the question of what did you send to your
 ml> prospective NC when you requested your node number? did you not fill
 ml> out an application and send it via netmail??

 MvdV> No. I spoke to him on the phone. We agreed on a node number.
 MvdV> (2:500/555) I entered it into my configuration, he entered it in
 MvdV> the nodelist. That was it. P4 was never mentioned during that
 MvdV> conversation.

so you didn't even follow section 2.2 at all... no wonder you don't understand
these things <<smh>> :?

* <<smh>> means "shaking my head"

 MvdV> Side note: I was the cosysop of the R28 TipTop gate. Had been for
 MvdV> years. In that capacity I had been present at sysop- and hub
 MvdV> meetings. I had met most of the sysops in net 500 in person. I
 MvdV> was wll known in R28. I had already demonstrated the ability to
 MvdV> send and receive netmail and I had a mailer on-line during ZMH
 MvdV> using a point number. In net 500 one did not really need a node
 MvdV> number to fully participate. It was only when I was nominated for
 MvdV> REC28, that I needed a node number. Which was arranged in a five
 MvdV> minute telephone call with the NC500. 

that's all fine and good but there are requirements according to policy that
you did not follow properly... at the point that were were needing a node
number, you fell into section 2.1.2 and were classed as a "new sysop" since you
were becoming a new sysop in fidonet...

 MvdV> This may come as a shock to you, but in many parts of Z2, net 500
 MvdV> in particular, P4 was never accepted as the holy book that all
 MvdV> must follow. It was perceived as rammed down our throats by Z1
 MvdV> and parts that did not jive with the local situation were
 MvdV> ignored.

so the whole network has failed :(

 MvdV> Bottom line: I was never asked to agree to follow all of P4. And
 MvdV> so I didn't. 

policy doesn't ask you to follow it... policy lays out the steps and it is up
to you to follow it or not... if you do not want to then you cannot be a member
of the network... it is that easy... follow policy or don't... be a member or
don't... 

what you are actually and truthfully saying is that you and many others are not
and never have been members of fidonet... way to go, big guy... way to go...

)\/(ark

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