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Skriven 2012-05-27 00:44:36 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
Ärende: Janis defintions...
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Hello Janis,

On Saturday May 26 2012 14:37, you wrote to me:

 >> Stated in P4... Which is only binding to those who agreed to follow
 >> it. Which didn't.

 JK> It is a requirement for membership, as Mark noted below.  For your
 JK> reference, once again:

 JK> 2.2  How to obtain a node number
 JK> [...]
 JK> You must indicate that you have read, and agree to abide by, this
 JK> document and all the current policies of FidoNet. [...]

Well, I got a node number, I never agreed to abide by policy. It is ok for me
because I am not bound by any policy that I never agreed to be bound to. Now
what?

 >> I DID familiarize myself with policy. I did not agree to be bound by
 >> it.

 JK> The above is pretty clear that you DID agree to policy 4 by accepting
 JK> your nodenumber.

That is not how things work in this part of the world. Here agreements are only
binding if all parties /explicitly/ express agreement. "If you accept this
cookie and eat it, you agree to the following.." does not work here.

 JK> If you DON'T agree to be bound by it, you should either voluntarily
 JK> resign from Fidonet or accept it now.

Sorry that is not going to happen.

 >> Yet I am listed in the nodelist.

 JK> Which indicates your acceptance of Policy 4.  If you are now saying
 JK> that you DON't accept it, you are in violation of Policy 4.

Which is as relevant as claiming that I am in violation of clause #73 of the
Ferengi rules of acquisition. Or the rules of the Bulgarian association of
promoting the use of monocycles. I never agreed to abide by those rules, so me
violating them is inconsequential.

 JK> Either you agree to follow P4 or you should resign your node number.

Forget it. You have no power over me.

If you believe otherwise, file a complaint and see how far it flies. If my Nc
rejects it, appeal to my RC. If my RC rejects it, appeal to my ZC. If my ZC
rejects it, appeal to the IC.

Oh wait, there is no IC. Not last time I consulted the nodelist anyway. You saw
to it that the IC position was made into a paper tiger. No IC, no interzonal
coordination. It is every zone on its own now. You saw to that.

Face it Janis, you have shot yourself in the foot. You wrecked the IC position,
so there is no authority above the ZC. I am not a member of your zone, so you
have no power over me. I got my node number without entering into an agreement
to follow P4 that is binding to me.

You can stamp your feet, foam at the mouth, have a hissy fit, it will do you no
good. There is nothing you can do about it.

You have no power over me.


Cheers, Michiel

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