Text 29685, 88 rader
Skriven 2012-06-15 16:37:19 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 29657 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: Napalm & Agent Orange
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Hi, Roy Witt! How are you?
on Friday, 15 of June, I read your message to alexander koryagin
about "Napalm & Agent Orange"

 LL>>> Americans & Afghans.  Once former enemies, now the best of friends.
 LL>>> Americans & Libyans.  Once former enemies, now the best of friends.
 LL>>> Americans & Vietnamese.  Once former enemies, now the best of
 LL>>> friends. Americans & Panamanians.  Once former enemies, now the best
 LL>>> of friends. Shall I continue?

 ak>> You are so bosom friends to all people that Americans even forgot the
 ak>> times when they could freely travel over the world without thinking
 ak>> that they can be killed in any moment.

 RW> True, even today.

 RW> As opposed to Russkies who've provided their dictatorial 'friends' with
 RW> arms and ammunition to kill their own citizens, just for fun. See:
 RW> Syria - Assad, Russkie Helicopter gun ships.

I heard that Penetta said that this is an unconfirmed information. From another
side, it is not a key to the problem solving. Do you really suppose that any
army can voluntarily refuse to use its tanks and helicopters and started to
fight with rebels with AK-47 only?

The only normal way out from this situation is make the rebels stop to
arrogantly refuse to negotiations with Acad and begin to search for a
compromise instead of making Acad's removing from power a non-discussable item.
The rebels must understand that their ideas demand too many human lives. That's
why the way the rebel are going on now is unacceptable and brings great
suffering the Syrian people.

See yourself, the only way the rebels can gain their aims is to put Syria under
NATO intervention and make the dirty work by other hands. In following this way
the rebels have got in a tricky position -- if they stop fighting there will be
NO blood and therefore, intervention too. As a result the rebels continue their
war.

 RW> Ask any Afghan citizen what it was like with 10 years of Russian
 RW> Soldiers in country. Most have said that the target practice was suited
 RW> for their ancient British muzzle loading weapons. BTW, many of your
 RW> 'comrads' never returned home from there because the natives were able
 RW> to kill more of you than you of them.

I've never justified that war. But that war was is not a justification for the
Vietnam war either. It must not be a defense argument when you are scolded for
Vietnam. ;)

 RW> Your military went home with their tails between their legs, defeated
 RW> by a people with lessor arms. They didn't need your helicopters to
 RW> survive, but you certainly needed them to retreat to safer ground.

Military carries out orders. They would have stayed in Afghanistan as long as
the government wished. It doesn't matter that we would lost there thousands
more lives. The same situation is, BTW, with the Americans troops in
Afghanistan. Until the government has illusion that they are the messengers of
freedom and progress, this war will continue. But the Talibs will go to power
anyway. In some time, after you get out there. ;-)

[Skipped]
 RW> And before that many small east-European countries who hate your guts
 RW> because of your country's communist regime perpetuating an iron fisted
 RW> control over them.

The world has lost its freedom everywhere. Probably, even in the USSR a person
was more free than in the US now. Then oppression and surveillance were not so
perfect. Have been on "Capture Wallstreet" actions? How do you like water
cannons, buttons, arrests? Where have found freedom in the world? You shout out
at Putin's repressions, but you have the same things now.

 RW> Of course, we won't worry too much about the 20-30 Million Russians who
 RW> were murdered by Joe Stalin and company during his tenure.

Well, if we think that a person lives 70 year, it is true -- 20-30 millions
really died during Stalin's rule. But it would be a lie to say that such a
number of people were killed. It is a number of people that were persecuted for
political articles. Note however, that accusations at that time were NOT a
subject of logic or communist ideology. People were accused of things they did
not commit.

[...]
Bye Roy!
Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91
fido7.fidonews 2012


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