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Skriven 2012-06-18 00:27:31 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 29761 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
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Hello Roy,

 WD>> But my statement stands, they lost WW2 on Dec.7th 1941. Hadn't they
 WD>> started it that day, there wouldn't have been a war to lose.

 LL>> Copping a line from a movie does not mean Admiral Yamamoto said
 LL>> what you claimed.  There is absolutely no evidence (and consequently
 LL>> no verification) to show he ever said such nonsense.

RW>It isn't nonsense if you know your history.

It is and remains nonsense no matter how many times you repeat
that nonsense.

RW>It was very true that Yamamoto believed that Japan could not win a
RW>protracted war with the United States, and moreover seems to have
RW>believed that the Pearl Harbor attack had become a blunder - even
RW>though he was the person who came up with the idea of a surprise
RW>attack on Pearl Harbor.

Who sez Yamomato wanted or planned for a protracted war with the
United States?  Has the thought ever occurred to you that the attack
on Pearl Harbor was designed to *prevent* such a protracted war from
happening?  The purpose of the attack was a *warning* to the US to
stay out of Japanese affairs in the Pacific.  To not get involved.

RW>It is recorded that Yamamoto alone, while all his staff members
RW>were celebrating, spent the day after Pearl Harbor "sunken into an
RW>apparent depression".

"It is recorded" by who?  Yamamoto was an experienced warlord.  He
would have understood war and its implications.  Nothing to celebrate
in that department.  And what exactly would he have been upset about?
Not so much the successful attack on Pearl Harbor, but rather the
mistakes made leading up to the attack and during the attack would be
more like it.

RW>He is also known to have been upset by the bungling of the Foreign
RW>Ministry which led to the attack happening while the countries were
RW>technically at peace, thus making the incident an unprovoked sneak
RW>attack that would certainly enrage the enemy.

How an attack is conducted can be just as important, if not moreso,
than the attack itself.  However, FDR made several provokations that
led to the attack on Pearl Harbor.  As such, the US is not entirely
innocent as some have claimed.

RW>He didn't actually have to say that line for it to be true,

Of course not.  Roy Witt and others can insert words of choice
for Yamamoto, now that he has been dead for decades.

RW>as he certainly believed that the Japanese attack on Pearl would
RW>provoke the sleeping industrial giant, thus losing WW2 on Dec 7,
RW>1941.

Actually, Japanese military thinking was that America would
roll over and play dead.  Nothing really important about Hawaii
to Americans.

Now consider what was done -

Yamamoto planned it, liked what he saw, ordered it, liked it even
better, oversaw it, and was overjoyed.

--Lee

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