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Skriven 2012-06-19 12:01:59 av Herman Neut (2:280/1141)
  Kommentar till text 29884 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
Ärende: Napalm & Agent Orange
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Åਢ¥âáâ¢ãî ⥡ï, alexander!


      –¨â¨àãî: alexander koryagin ¯¨á «( ) Roy Witt
   ä â /é६ï: 19-Jun-12 / 12:18:18
         ’¥¬ : Napalm & Agent Orange


 RW>> Don't look now, but the photos, movies and stories told by east
 RW>> Berliners doesn't reflect your view...many of whom had to flee
 RW>> over barbed wire fences erected to keep 'in' the east Berlin
 RW>> citizenry, not keep them out.

True!

 ak> Do not say, however, that it was Russian troops who shot them. It
 ak> was the East Germans troops who guarded the border.

True, but:

(I was in the forces from 1961 until end of the cold war)

 ak>  But it was the
 ak> result of mutual West/East aggression. For instance, is a South
 ak> Korean citizen would dare to cross openly the border to run to the
 ak> North Korea, I assure you he would be killed by the South Korean
 ak> border guards.

Who told you that nonsence?

 ak> Despite the fact that SK is a democratic country

 ak>>> Like the US, for instance occupies Japan,

 RW>> Japan hasn't been an occupied country since the mid-1950s...any
 RW>> American troops or navy there are invited by the Japanese
 RW>> government. PS - Japan's Constitution doesn't allow it's small
 RW>> military to go to war.

True!

 ak> The same situation was in the countries of the Warsaw Pact.
 ak> Everything was perfect legal

NO!
Citizens of the Warshaw Pact countries had no choice at all after 1945.
Stalin (two of a kind with Hitler!!!) was the devil!


 RW>> Since when do you refer to an occupation as necessary for
 RW>> prosperity. It surely didn't bring any prosperity to any of the
 RW>> eastern European countries that were occupied by Russkies.  In
                                                       ^^^^^^^^
SOVJET's (not Russians)

 RW>> fact, most of them remained as bad off as they were before and
 RW>> during WW2 under Russian occupation.

 ak> It is exaggeration. We had a great economy, built great plants,
 ak> space ships (ahead of the US, BTW), atomic ice breakers, etc. But
 ak> there was IMHO rather a philosophical question -- people who are
 ak> really free and equal don't want to do hard and dirty work. That's
 ak> why our economy was less effective that western one, where a lot
 ak> human beings forced to work as slaves for surviving. ;-

SOVJET propaganda. Nonsence!

Don't ever forget:
Stalin and Hitler started in common the WWII !!!!
Aks the Polish people!

 WD>>>> Also NATO nor the US ever rolled its tanks nor marched its
 WD>>>> troops in to suffocate a freedom-desiring population like
 WD>>>> happened in East-Germany in the late 40-ies, Hungary in 1956,
 WD>>>> Tsjecho-Slovakia 1968, Poland somewhere in the 70-ies...

YEP!

 ak>>> As for me I'd prefer to count corpses. The US/NATO cannot be
 ak>>> outstripped in the business of making millions of corpses around
 ak>>> the world. ;=)

 RW>> Look in your own back yard. You'll find plenty of dead corpses to
 RW>> go around...

TRUE!

 ak> Much less that the corpses made by the US. ;-)

You have numbers?

 ak> [Skipped]
 WD>>>> I can lead you to American (and British, and French) military
 WD>>>> cemetaries here full of ordinary young men who hadn't much of
 WD>>>> an option other than to serve. They helped liberate my parents
 WD>>>> from Nazi rule and prevented Russian from being a mandatory
 WD>>>> language course at school when I was young.

 ak>>> That's propaganda, too. ;)

 RW>> Unfortunately, we didn't listen to a very wise general of the
 RW>> times. US General George S. Patten thought it prudent to form an
 RW>> alliance with the German, British, Japanese and other allies and
 RW>> kick your ass out of Europe and Asia...Too bad our President and
 RW>> that general's superiors didn't listen to him.

Maybe Patten was right.
But was it the end of WWII worth? How many military and civillian offers
would it cost?

 ak> I know, I know. Americans held separate talks with fascist
 ak> officials who offered the Americans the same. ;) The only reason
 ak> why the Americans did not accept those offereings was the fact
 ak> that Russian onslaught was too quick

By Stalin and his "club".
Poor poor Russian civilians.

Stalin and Hitler.
Both killed masses of own people.


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      Herman Neut

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