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Skriven 2009-10-21 15:46:18 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
    Kommentar till text 656 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
Ärende: Now it's Iraq (was W  2/
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20 Oct 09 17:28, Lee Lofaso wrote to Roy Witt:

 >> LL>Every president in the history of the United States is or has been
 >> LL>a Christian.

 RW>> LOL! You're so full of shit, it runs out of your mouth. Thomas
 RW>> Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams weren't
 RW>> christians, they were Diests.

 LL> Thomas Jefferson was Episcopalian.

Wrong! He aluded to being a Unitarian in his writings.

 LL> George Washington was Episcopalian.

Wrong! He too said that he was a Unitarian.

 LL> James Madison was Episcopalian.

Wrong!

 LL> John Adams was Unitarian.
 LL> All Christians.

Better look up the definition of Unitarian.

Unitarianism as a theology is the belief in the single personality of God,
in contrast to the doctrine of the Trinity (three persons in one God). No
christianity there.

 LL> Christianity is a religion.

It's a cult, just like Judaism.

 LL> Deism is a philosophy. George Washington denied describing himself as
 LL> being deist.

No he didn't. He ascribed himself as a Unitarian, aka a belief in a god,
but not a trinity of god in one being.

 LL> Thomas Jefferson ascribed to some deist ideas, but not all, and was
 LL> always remained an Episcopalian.

Wrong!

 LL> John Adams was a philosopher, not a deist, but was always a
 LL> Unitarian.

Unitarian<>Diest

 RW>> Deist ideals played a major role in creating the principle of
 RW>> separation of church and state, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's
 RW>> letters, and the principle of religious freedom expressed in the
 RW>> First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

 LL> Again, deism is a philosophy, not a religion.

Wrong! I'm a Deist who believes in one God...no christ in my life.

 LL> Of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 (both
 LL> signers and non-signers), only two held deist views (Thomas Jefferson
 LL> and Benjamin Franklin).

Wrong!

 LL> And both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were Episcopalian.

Wrong!

 LL> As for how many presidents held deist views, that number is one -
 LL> Thomas Jefferson.

Right!

 LL> And he was and always remained an Episcopalian.

Wrong!

 RW>> Such publications as the "American Founding Fathers", or "Framers of
 RW>> the Constitution" who were especially noted for being influenced by
 RW>> such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin,
 RW>> Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their
 RW>> political speeches show distinct deistic influence.

 LL> As I said, deism is a philosphy, not a religion.

And you're wrong, as usual.

 RW>> Thomas Jefferson is perhaps one of the Founding Fathers with the
 RW>> most outspoken of Deist tendencies, though he more often referred to
 RW>> himself as a Unitarian.

 LL> Thomas Jefferson was Episcopalian.

Wrong!

 LL> He may have expressed sentiment for Unitarian values, but he always
 LL> remained an Episcopalian.

LOL! Contradicting yourself makes you an idiot. First you claim Unitarians
are also christians and now you contradict that by seperating it to have
christian values by falsely claiming that Jefferson was a christian
(Episcopalian).

 RW>> In particular, his treatment of the Biblical gospels which he
 RW>> titled The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, but which
 RW>> subsequently became more commonly known as the Jefferson Bible,
 RW>> exhibits a strong deist tendency of stripping away all supernatural
 RW>> and dogmatic references from the Christ story.

 LL> Of course.  I have read it, and have a copy.  But that does not make
 LL> deism a religion.  It is a philosophy.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Wrong! As usual.

 RW>> Which brings us to: was the US founded on Judeo-Christian ideals or
 RW>> was it founded on Diest priniciples? I'd say Diest, since there's
 RW>> not one mention of Jesus Christ in any of this countrys founding
 RW>> documents.

 LL> Wow!  With only two individuals (Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin
 LL> Franklin) holding deist views (aside from being Episcopalian),

Both Unitarian, which is not a belief that Jesus Christ was God.

 LL> among those being signers of the Declaration of Independence,
 LL> delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, and presidents
 LL> of the United States, we must be a Deist nation indeed!

 >> LL>And that includes Barack Hussein Obama.

 RW>> He's not a christian either.

 LL> He was baptized at the ripe old age of 26 in the name of Da Fodder,
 LL> Da Sonny, and Da Holy Ghosty. That most certainly makes him a
 LL> Christian.

How did your sex-change operation go?

 RW>> He's a by-product of the Rev Wright's version or philosophy of
 RW>> 'God-damn America - which the O'bama is doing on a daily basis.

 LL> He was Congregationist, being a member of Wright's church, for years.

According to the O'bama, he hasn't been in Wright's church for over 20
years. Which one of you talking heads is a liar?

                R\%/itt

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