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Skriven 2010-07-09 05:06:00 av Bob Ackley (1:300/3)
   Kommentar till text 8996 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: LEO the lion (was: Important message from the moderator)
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Replying to a message of Michiel van der Vlist to Bob Ackley:

 MvdV> Hello Bob,

 MvdV> On Wednesday July 07 2010 05:54, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>>> Upon which the shopkeeper will ask for an ID that shows the
 MvdV>>> inquisitor has Law enforcement authority. If that is not
 MvdV>>> forthcoming, the shopkeeper will tellhim to take a hike.

 BA>> In the US, maybe.  More likely, since the shopkeeper doesn't want any
 BA>> trouble with the police s/he'll give them what they want - without a
 BA>> search warrant.

 MvdV> In The Netherlands a shopkeeper may be intimidated by a properly
 MvdV> identified police officer. A DUTCH police officer. Maybe. Maybe
 MvdV> not.

 MvdV> But as Bob already pointed out, anyone else but a Duct police
 MvdV> officer asking for client data would draw attenbtion to himself and
 MvdV> runs the risk of ending up on the wrong side of an investigation
 MvdV> himself.

 RW>>>> But then, as Robert pointed out, one doesn't spend foreign
 RW>>>> currency, but exchanges it. Which makes it even easier to trace
 RW>>>> as it's all in one place.

 MvdV>>> A bank. And so the bank will ask for a court order to break
 MvdV>>> client confidentiality.

 BA>> Not in the US.  The courts here have held that personal/private
 BA>> information held by a third party = such as a bank, credit union or
 BA>> ISP - is not protected by the Constitution's Fourth Amendment and
 BA>> does not require a search warrant.

 MvdV> So much for the land of the free.

 MvdV> That is one of the reasons I try to avoid having personal data
 MvdV> stored in the US. They are not safe there. I will not touch Gmail
 MvdV> with a ten foot pole.

There are a number of companies in the US that offer to back up customer's hard
drives to their servers on whatever schedule the customer wants - and at a very
reasonable fee.  I suspect that at least some of them are shills for government

agencies.  People don't realize that their personal data backed jup on some
third
party server is accessible to anybody that wants it, without a search warrant -
and it doesn't have to be the police that want it.

--- FleetStreet 1.19+
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