Text 9227, 132 rader
Skriven 2010-07-11 15:49:35 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 9142 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Extradition
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11 Jul 10 08:30, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday July 09 2010 at 10:23:

 RB>>>>> Except in a few countries (USA and China being best known), the
 RB>>>>> death penalty has been abolished, and no country without a death
 RB>>>>> penalty is going to extradite anyone to those countries for
 RB>>>>> possible execution. It simply isn't done.

 RW>>>> Look in your own backyard when you say that. There are plenty of
 RW>>>> countries on the Europeon continent that still have the death
 RW>>>> penalty.

 RB>>> Really? Well, let's see... the EU countries have none,

 RW>> Are not Iran and Iraq in your back yard, Chad and other north
 RW>> African nations as well.

 RB> Simple question, simple answer: no.

Closer to you than to me.

 RW>> Certainly Europeons would have more influence there than anyone
 RW>> else.

 RB> Why would that be?

If Euros are so set against the death penalty, wouldn't it behoove them to
discourage such practices in their own back yards before they mouth off to
countries that they don't influence?

 RB> And what does that have to do with their legal systems?

Their legal system allows the death penalty. You sound like you're dead
set against it, thus you would do well to bitch about their practices
rather than those who wouldn't pay you any attention.

 RB>>> Anyway, what does that have to do with the fact that no country
 RB>>> without the death penalty is going to extradite someone to a
 RB>>> country like the USA on a capital offence without a guarantee that
 RB>>> the death penalty will _NOT_ be sought? That's just a fact, Roy,
 RB>>> not an opinion.

 RW>> We can't help it is all y'all don't have the guts to put murderers
 RW>> out of their misery.

 RB> How about putting you out of yours, as you seem to be so unhappy with
 RB> the situation...

I was thinking the same about you. That and the prejudice you voice over
people who wear burkahs.

 RB>>> Maybe, but dead is dead, and that still has nothing to do with the
 RB>>> subject, which was extradition.

 RW>> The heart of the subject is the death penalty. Otherwise there
 RW>> wouldn't be any discussion needed on extradition with the death
 RW>> penalty.

 RB> In that sense, right. So all you have to do is get the Supreme Court
 RB> to judge the death penalty as "cruel and unusual punishment" and can
 RB> then join the rest of the civilized world.

That wouldn't do any good. The rest of the world has yet to be civilized
enough to influence the thinking here. If they were, we'd have little
Hitlers prancing around preaching like little Neo-Germans with big red
faces. Besides, it has already been established that it isn't
un-constitutional for a state to excercise their rights to self govern.

To put a stop to the death penalty would take an act of your creator. Each
state has the right to self-govern under their own constitutions.

However, you guys are wrong when you say 'your country' has the death
penalty. Under US law, only those who commit terrorist acts, like the OK
bombing get the death penalty. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes,
there is no US death penalty. You'd be better off attempting to argue that
your 'state' has the death penalty.

California tried to do away with it and a far left liberal judge made it
so, but she was over-ridden by the people who voted against her in a
referendum.

 RW>>>> Nor would I call those countries who encourage the use of the
 RW>>>> death penalty less than those who don't.

 RB>>> Please rephrase. I think you're trying to defend the death penalty,
 RB>>> but am not certain what you mean with that sentence.

 RW>> I'm saying that it isn't shameful for a country to have a death
 RW>> penalty. Having one doesn't make that country any less than those
 RW>> who did away with the best deterant to murder ever devised.

 RB> "Deterrent"? ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

So, you're not detered by the death penalty. Of course you wouldn't be,
living in a chicken-shit country with no balz...

 RB> If that were so, there's be a lot less murder in the States. But the
 RB> truth is that the murder rate is a good deal higher than in the EU.

I don't believe that for a minute.

 RB> As for "shameful", well, if you're a Bible thumper and a big fan of
 RB> the Old Testament with its (in)famous "eye for an eye, tooth for a
 RB> tooth", I suppose there's nothing that could really shame you, as you
 RB> have no sense of right and wrong anyway.

So that's where you get your info. Thought so, bible thumper.

 RB> But I have been considering normal people, not religious nuts with a
 RB> taste for revenge and a lack of knowledge concerning "judicial
 RB> errors".

I'm of the opinion that you don't know what you're talking about.
Religious nuts (fanatics) actually believe what they read in their holy
books. Christians and Jews, for instance, don't call for an eye for an eye
or a tooth for a tooth, they preach brotherly love. So I guess that puts
you into the religious nut category, one who preaches against the death
penalty because you love your fellow boys.

 RB> Hard to bring someone back to life after you've killed them
 RB> by mistake.

It's hard to bring them back to life when you've killed them on purpose
too. But you probably have a miracle lurking somewhere in your pathetic
life of brotherly love.

                R\%/itt

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