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Text 9431, 123 rader
Skriven 2010-07-25 10:24:28 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: Extortion?
==================
Hello Roy,

On Friday July 23 2010 17:12, you wrote to me:

 RW>>> Except for the fact that they still claim that he's the prime
 RW>>> suspect in that case.

 MvdV>> That is the theory. The practical reality is that there is no
 MvdV>> case.

 RW> Not what the Arubans say. They say that he is their primary suspect in
 RW> the 'disappearance of Natalie Holloway case'...

That is the official POV. In practise the case is shelved as a cold case, only
to be unshelved when new evidence emerges.

 RW> [Holloway]

 RW> "She was last seen in van der Sloot's company.  The Dutch national was
 RW> questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged.  He
 RW> remains the prime suspect in the case."

As you say: "never charged".  And why was e never charged? I will tell you:
because there is no case. There is no body, there is no evidence. Nothing to
charge him with. And so he was released. That is how things are done in a
civilised country. When you can not cherge the suspect, he is released.

 RW>>> Now that he's killed again, they're rethinking their case again.

 MvdV>> There is no evidence that he killed "again". Better stay away
 MvdV>> from Aruban or Dutch jurisdiction. JvdS's lawyer may file a
 MvdV>> slander charge against you.

 RW> LOL! His former Peruvian lawyer, M ximo Altez, claimed that he's a nut
 RW> case.

He is entitled o his opinion. Opinions are not proof of murder.

 RW> "He is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
 RW> from his native Aruba in 2005."

Officialy he is still a suspect. For all practical purposes, there is no case.

 RW> "With reports surfacing that van der Sloot is now under investigation
 RW> for possible human trafficking in Thailand, he continues to be one of
 RW> the most searched for topics on the Internet and at Gambling911.com,
 RW> according to the G911 Facebook Page."

So? Since when is facebook the judge, jury and executioner?

 RW>>> Of course. Her body was so mutulated that they figured only a
 RW>>> nutcase would beat someone beyond what it would take to kill
 RW>>> them.

 MvdV>> If they believe him to be a nutcase, they can not try him for
 MvdV>> murder.

 RW> "However, the (Peruvian) psychological examination carried out
 RW> revealed that Van der Sloot does not have any mental disorder which
 RW> prevents him from being aware of reality."

You can't have it both ways. He is either a nut case that can not be held
responsible for his actions, or he is not and then he can be tried for murder.

 RW> Thus, he'll be tried on his confession.

No, he will be tried on evidence.

 RW> He used her disappearance in an attempt to get out of the Flores
 RW> murder. Hoping he could get an extradition from Peru to Aruba, where
 RW> he could escape the bad conditions in the Peruvian prison.

Unsubstantiated..

 MvdV>> How many times do I have to explain it to you? The US takes the
 MvdV>> position that they have jurisdiction because the alleged victim
 MvdV>> is a US citizen.

 RW> And far more sway than, say the Dutch government. See, these Peruvians
 RW> get billions of dollars in aid from US Taxpayers and therefore have an
 RW> incentive to cooperate.

You think they can be bought and will play lapdog for a lousy handfull of
Dollars? Well, maybe theu can be bought. As wasalready noted, it is a banana
replubic. But you are in error when you think US aid will swing the balance. Do
some research on hoe much aid they get from others. In comparison the US is a
cheapskate.

 MvdV>> In that position they are alone however. No other country
 MvdV>> supports that position. So the US will get no international
 MvdV>> cooperation for it.

 RW> So you say...but that isn't the real world.

Welcome to the 21st century. The days that the US says "jump" and the rest of
the world asks "how high" are over.

 MvdV>> Specifically: extradition requests will be denied.

 RW> I doubt there will be one, although if there were, it'd be a whole lot
 RW> better to be in a US prison than a Peruvian prison.

But that is not the alternative. The Peruvians will not let him go to be treid
in the US *instaed* of in Peru. If he does any time in a US prison, it will be
*in addition* to his time in Peru.

 RW> What I'm waiting to hear is that someone offed the Dutchman. When he's
 RW> convicted of the Flores murder, he'll be commited to an even worse
 RW> prison in Peru than Castro Castro. There, he'll be in an open space
 RW> with about 300 other prisoners. For $100, any one of them can pay for
 RW> 4 months of food, smokes, etc.. I think there will be at least 300
 RW> volunteers.

That his leaving peruvian jail will be feet first is a distinct possibility.
Greater than him coming out alive I'd say.

Whatever, he will not be extradited to the US.


Cheers, Michiel

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