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Skriven 2009-10-26 18:52:34 av John Guillory (1:396/60.0)
    Kommentar till text 799 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
Ärende: Now it's Iraq (was W  2/
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JG>Being a Christian can be defined as loosely or not by an individual.

 LL> A Christian, by definition, is someone who has been baptized in the
 LL> name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
     You prove my point exactly by your definition of Christian.

      1> Some folks will claim that one merely needs to believe God exist
         to be a 'Christian', thus the devils that tremble are Christians
         in their eyes.
      2> By your own definition, once a person has been baptized, they
         remain a Christian even if they betray God himself or blaspheme
         God.  By your definition, many murdors and back sliders are 
         still Christians, even if they have become follower of satan
         and call themselves Satanic in belief.  This weak definition
         is about as good as definition #1
      3> Others define a Christian as following after Christ's ways and
         being "Christ Like" in your life.  This requires one to continue
         doing as Christ did, as compared to just a one-time obedience.  
   
JG>Being baptized is only one part of what God requires of his
JG>followers.

 LL> Unless one is baptized, he/she is not a Christian.  Even if he/she
 LL> acts in Christian ways.
     As pointed out, each person's beliefs of what a "Christian" is defines
     how easy it is to become a Christian in their eyes.  By your own     
definition, many aetheist and satanic followers are Christians, because
     while they may not believe God exist or may choose to worship the devil,
     they once was baptized.  Further more, there is the definition of what
     being baptized in the "Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirt" defines.
     for some you must say the exact words, for others they read the 
     scripture literally and state that Name is singular and as such only
     one name reprisents the Father, Son and Holy Ghost (3 titles for 1
     name, being God himself).  So you see even a definition as simple
     as yours leads to much difference of intpretation.

 LL> Actually, it is very simple.  First you gotta find a glass of water.
 LL> Or rum.  Or vodka.  Or some other drink.  Then you gotta pour it over
 LL> the head of a willing follower, while saying the magic words.
     If that is your definition, again you prove just how much room one
     can leave for intpretation.  I myself have never seen anything in
     the Bible that even implies that they used alcoholic beverages or 
     drinks for baptisim.  Further more the places I've seen in the Bible
     that people have been baptized where submerged in water, rather than
     being showered with water.  From what your saying now, the entire world
     would be a Christian in your eyes, because anyone who has ever been caught
     in the rain must have been baptized.

 LL> Meanwhile, while in this world, Obama has to answer to the people.
 LL> After all, he is an elected official.  And we are the idiots who elected
 LL> him.  But hey.  I do not envy him.  He's the idiot who asked for the
 LL> job.
     Yes, and as such, he risk upsetting people on a greater scale.  These
     days president is a job that requires the ability to love making the
     majority of the people who put you into office hate you.  Nobody who
     does what they need to do will be liked by the people, however, there
     is a serious problem when all the world "Loves the President."  Many
     Countries hated Bush and Reagan because they knew if they messed with
     us they'd find theirselves at war with us.  By the entire world 
     celebrating Obamma's election results, it's only a sign that we are
     handing the USA over to other countries without a fight.  To get many
     people to love him, he has to lie to the majority of them, because
     if he'd say "I'm going to have to raise taxes to keep all these dead
     beats working government jobs making a better living than you!"
     nobody would elect him!  If he said, "I need your children to 
     give up their life so I can go to war with a country because 
     I can not picture life without their precious oil, so we will
     get it from them one way or the other!"  He'd never get elected.
     If he announced "I am the anti-christ, I must fullfill a prophecy
     before the end of the world comes", no one would vote for him.
     Last, but far from least if he said "I'm not going to do a darn
     thing, I'm going to live off your tax money and waste your money!"
     nobody would vote for him, except perhaps me....

 LL> Any president who tells the people that God told him to commit acts
 LL> of genocide should be either put away forever in a mental institution
 LL> or lined up in front of a firing squad and shot.
     Nearly every war ever faught in time was faught because each side felt
     they was doing what God told them to do....

 LL> Jesus said to love everyone.
     Where did he say to love everyone?

 LL> "Love one another, as I have loved you." - Jesus
     I do not believe Jesus was referring to false gods and satan when he
     said love one another.  



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