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Skriven 2013-09-20 12:00:46 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
  Kommentar till text 10284 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
Ärende: Re: Putin Blinks
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Alex,
 
Usually I don't read these threads, but now I did. :-)
 
ak> I believe that this war crime (a mass and indiscriminate killing of
ak> civilians is a very severe war crime) was a demonstration of force to
ak> the USSR. In June 1945, at Potsdam Conference, Truman boasted of the
ak> Abomb before Stalin, but he appeared unimpressed.
 
I follow you on the war crime associated with the atomic bombings. Also the
carpet bombings of German cities like Dresden. The difference is that the
victors write the history books ... Although in Japan the events of Pearl
Harbor are not part of their history. I've had a good Japanese friend who
passed away in the meantime but when I met him in 1973 he was 25 and
completely unaware there had been a Japanese surprise attack in 1941. When I
visited Hawaii for the first time in 1995 and went to the Battleship USS
Arizona Memorial there were large groups of Japanese tourists that came to
have a look at the wreck of the big ship that exploded there but had no clue
Japan did it ... until they watched the mandatory movie prior to being
ferried to the memorial that is.
 
Also, Truman was completely unprepared for the Presidency. He had not been at
Yalta, had not been in on any of the negotiations, was completely in the dark
about the atom-bomb development and had to learn everything about
international politics while he was already president. Stalin was better
informed about the US's nuclear programme than their president was.
 
ak> At Yalta conference, in 1945 (Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill), the
ak> USSR had taken an obligation to declare war on Japan, to help the US to
ak> defeat Japan. That was an agreement, that was a part of allies military
ak> actions. So, it must not be any wonder why the USSR declared war on
ak> Japan in 1945.
 
Indeed. That is historical verifiable fact.
 
ak> According to Yalta conference the USSR got Kurile and Sakhalin
ak> islands as a war reparation. BTW, Germany had also lost big territory,
ak> at this conference.
 
Yes, but the odd thing is that the loss was in both cases to the USSR or its
cronies ... not to the USA, Britain, France, the Netherlands, ... Only the
USSR "took" actual land ... I think.
 
ak> Actually, Japan and Germany were one team and had to be treated
ak> equally. But there was a peculiar specific - the Japanese treated their
ak> emperor as a god, and he could be hanged as were hanged German war
ak> criminals. Although, the Japanese emperor was not better than Hitler.
 
He could have been hanged, but it was a political decision not to. Other than
that, I think in Germany the evil was top-down, while in Japan it was
bottom-up ... the emperror didn't start war based on crazy ideologies, as a
matter of fact I think he didn't start anything, just condoned it.
 
ak> If it was a provocation it was well planned. There were used two
ak> small rockets and at least one Russian made shell. But, that
ak> rocket-shell was from a multiple rocket launcher (which produces 16
ak> shells per volley) and it is very strange that the shell was fired alone
ak> from such a big launcher as BM-14. More likely, it was launched from a
ak> small, handicraft hand launcher, as it often is being done in Gaza
ak> strip. You can crawl up secretly, actually to any place, and make a shot.
 
What you're saying is actually that you haven't got a clue either, but
you're buying the propaganda that tries to minimize the Russian culpability.
 
Syria's civil war would've ended long ago if "no-one" would've been involved
from the outside, without Russian made weapons and airplanes and helicopters
Assad couldn't terrorize its people and he would've been a goner long ago.
 
This is just a game of geo-politics where Russia tries to play a controlling
role as they've got very few political partnerships outside of their own
country which haven't been bought with weapons or extorded by natural gas
shipments.
 
Have you never noticed that whenever there's a violent uprising and fighting
goes on, the streets are full of AK47s? Never American M16s? Or Belgian FALs?
There's a lesson to be learned there ...
 
Even the Sicilian Maffia has qualitity controls ... they stay away from Russian
weapons. :-)
 
ak> Pay also attention - there were no casualties among the rebels
ak> themselves, all the victims were civilians. It's strange, isn't?
 
The rebels "are" civilians, there's no way you would know. Rebels aka freedom
fighters do not wear uniforms.
 
ak> The damaged Japanese atomic reactors are now leaking its radioactive
ak> materials into the surrounding environment, poisoning it.
 
They're not leaking "radio-active materials" but radio-active cooling-water.
That in itself is an interesting problem ... they can't keep storing the
cooling water forever in an ever-expanding field of holding tanks.
 
ak> So, it is not the matter of
ak> Palestine and Israel -- it is the matter for all the world to solve the
ak> problem.
 
Funny ... when it concerns Israel and Palestine the whole world needs to
solve the problem.
 
When it concerns Syria the whole world needs to stay away from the problem?
Geo-political control my friend.
 
ak> As far as I know, Jerusalem should have remained in the Arab part of
ak> Palestine. No further discussions were supposed.
 
Jerusalem "was" in the Arab part of Palestine when the borders were drawn.
Then those stupid Arabs decided to attack Israel multiple times, got their
collective asses whipped, lost a whole lot of territory (including Jerusalem)
and effectively closed the Suez canal for a very long period.
 
Losing Jerusalem was the Arabs own doing, that cannot be blamed on anyone
else. But probably your propaganda has a different view on that.
 
I was 16 during the 1967 "6 day war" in a school with a lot of Jewish kids,
barely 22 years after the Holocaust, a generation sprug of the Holocaust
survivors and who had heard all the tales first hand.
 
What do you expect Israel would do? Same with the 1973 Yom Kippur war, the
attack of Israel on its holiest of holy days was a stupidity. The 2 main
players there were the USA and the USSR ... it was about geo-political
control and as a result USSR (and Russia now) lost its Egyptian partner and
hence its influence in that area. Your propaganda machine is still pissed about
that and still tries to shift the blame, more than 20 years after communism
went down the drain no lessons were learned.
 
ak>LL> Since the partition of Palestine, how many wars have been fought
ak>LL> between the Arabs and the Jews? Which side started each of those
ak>LL> wars? And on whose land were those wars fought?
 
ak> I believe all these wars were planned by the division creators.
 
You may believe what you want, but each and every of those wars was started by
the Arabs ... with brand new Russian weapons ... supported by Russian
diplomacy.
 
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