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Skriven 2013-09-25 16:03:53 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: IPv4 and IPv6
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Hello mark,

On Wednesday September 25 2013 09:03, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>> Your examples for your POTS mailer had merits in the past when
 MvdV>> most traffic was via POTS. They still may have in your
 MvdV>> particular setup.

 ml> they definitely do...

I have completely disabled automatic calling out in my POTS mailer. On the very
rare occasion that I need/want to make an outgoing POTS call, I start it
manually. That was easier than filtering all the rubbish in the nodelist that
could make it automatically call unreachable nodes. Here POTS is a relic from
the past...

 MvdV>> But for Fido over IP?

 ml> because, for instance, i don't want or need my "IP mailer" trying to
 ml> connect to eg: IBN nodes since it cannot speak binkp at all...

Wait a minute... we we talking IPv6/IPv4 SPECIFIC flags, not IP flags in
general...

 MvdV>> There are two sysops here that actually have Fdionet over IPv6
 MvdV>> capability. Those two represent about one third of the IPv6
 MvdV>> capable Fidonet sysops. They are the ones that have hands on
 MvdV>> experience with Fido over IPv6. And they say they don't need IP
 MvdV>> version specific nodelist flags.

 ml> they are looking only at themselves, then... those flags work both
 ml> ways ;)

Since you do not have IPv6, and they have IPv4, you have no need to know that
they are also IPv6 capable. And that goes for everyone who is IPv4 only. The
IPv4 only don't need it. The dual stack guys do not need it. Nobody needs it.

 MvdV>> You OTOH do not have it, so you have no experience, but you
 MvdV>> nevertheless say there is a need.

 ml> i don't need experience with IPv6 to know that none of my systems can
 ml> connect to an IPv6 only system...

There are no IPv6 only Fidonet systems.

 MvdV>> Sorry, you often have good points, but in this case you seem to
 MvdV>> be the back seat driver...

 ml> perhaps but then again, i'm on the other side of the fence and not
 ml> being led... why is it that so many think only of their side without
 ml> seeing others side? they may not need an IPv6 flag but others can use
 ml> that flag to control their system's connections as noted above...

You are trying to cross a bridge that is still beyond the horizon...

 ml> especially those people who are connected via metering service
 ml> providers...

Those should not run servers as they have no control over the traffic...

 ml> we've already seen what happens when ones alloted monthly connection
 ml> traffic is consumed by others... it is one reason why we have no more
 ml> nodes listed in Africa and why that zone no longer exists :/

Nonsense. The main reason Zone 5 never came off the ground properly and
therefore dropped below critical mass rather soon, is Henk Wolsink. He wanted
Fidonet Zone 5 to be a "whites only" network.

I have lived in RSA, I know what these "whites only" signs do to society... :-(


Cheers, Michiel

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