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Skriven 2013-09-30 14:26:03 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Kommentar till text 10542 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
Ärende: Putin Blinks
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Brer alexander koryagin wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Re: Putin Blinks:
ak>>> It was exactly the testing had shown the destructiveness of the A-
ak>>> bomb.
RW>> It raised some dust, blew a strong wind and had a plume of smoke 12
RW>> miles high. Nothing more.
ak> The power of that testing had been exactly known in kilotons of
ak> TNT. IMHO, it was easy to guess what can happen with a dense
ak> populated city, with wooden buildings, if you dropped on in its
ak> center, simultaneously, 20 TNT bombs 3000 pounds each. Besides, the
ak> knock wave was not the only factor of killing people. The bomb
ak> produces a tremendous temperature that burns away all that can be
ak> burned.
All of that info was known, after the fact.
ak>>> The first bombing on Hiroshima was another confirmation, before
ak>>> dropping the second bomb.
RW>> The 1st bomb (which was the 2nd bomb) on Hiroshima was another test
RW>> of a 'different' type of atom bomb. There were two types in
RW>> exisitance at the time.
ak> Yeah, it was a very interesting scientific question, after
ak> burning 150 thousand people with the first bomb! Would a plutonium
ak> bomb kill more people or less than a uranium one? In concentration
ak> camps, Hitler's doctors also had answered many interesting questions
ak> practicing on live people.
But instead of practice, it was an incentive for Japan to surrender,
unconditionally. Otherwise, there would have been an invasion of Japan and
the casuallty count would have been in the millions, including Japanese,
Americans and any other forces involved. It was deemed better to lose a
couple hundred thousand enemy than Americans and enemies in the millions.
This would have included a lot of Ruskies, as they were already chomping
at the bit, ready to get 'even' with the Japs for who knows what.
ak>>> So, your argument is poor.
RW>> Not at all. President Truman wrote in his diary that he had ordered
RW>> the bomb dropped on a "purely military" target, so that "military
RW>> objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women
RW>> and children."
ak> Lie doesn't help in this case.
An omission of a Presidential request in a military order isn't a lie...at
worst it could be considered neglect to pay attention by the SoW.
ak> If the bombs, for instance in Hiroshima, had been dropped on ships in
ak> the sea port area it could have some sense, but in reality the bomb
ak> had been dropped in the city's center, on the residential area.
Actually, an atom bomb is timed to explode above the ground, spreading the
maximum energy more than it would if it were exploded at ground level or
lower. As much as it weighs, that would have been a cavern the size of the
Grand Canyon in Arizona. Exploding a bomb underground makes a big hole,
but the energy is deflected straight up.
ak> The Hiroshima epicenter mark:
ak> http://mestagugla.ru/wp-content/uploads/japan_hirosima_epicenter2.jpg
ak> google maps:
ak> http://maps.google.ru/?ll=34.394727,132.454742&spn=0.001795,0.002401&
ak> t=k&z= 19
RW>> The official directive to bomb Japan didn't include the above and
RW>> it came from the Secretary of War, not the President.
RW>> " The foregoing directive is issued to you by direction and with
RW>> the approval of the Secretary of War and of the Chief of Staff,
RW>> USA. It is desired that you personally deliver one copy of this
RW>> directive to General MacArthur and one copy to Admiral Nimitz for
RW>> their information. (Sgd) THOS. T. HANDY THOS. T. HANDY General, G.
RW>> S. C. Acting Chief of Staff"
ak> It's highly improbable, taking into account that an A-bomb was
ak> not even on the balance of the military, as it had just been made.
Wrong again. The Army Corps of Engineers was in charge of the Manhatten
Project under General Leslie Groves. He told the President that it had
been tested and was ready for
use.
ak> Actually, you've said that a top secret weapon could used without
ak> high approval of Commander-in-Chief (i.e. President of the US).
I did not. The go ahead to use the bomb was given to the Secretary of War
by the President. The SoW gave the order to the acting Chief of Staff at
the Pentegon, which passed it along to the people who were in charge of
the pre-planned mission in the field.
ak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_mili
ak> tary_r ank
ak> -----------
ak> The United States Constitution names the President of the United
ak> States the Commander-in-Chief of the U. S. armed forces.
ak> -----------
So? Ever hear of work assignments given out by a foreman? Your point, as
weak as it is, failed to be made.
ak>>> In 1938 it was discovered that an atom of uranium divides when
ak>>> stricken by a neutron. In 1939 Curie told all the world (like an
ak>>> idiot) that every fusion produces many neutrons. Since then, every
ak>>> dog (from the world of science :)) knew that these two facts could
ak>>> be used for making a very powerful bomb.
RW>> Theory is nice.
ak> It is simple, indeed. First step is an atomic fusion reactor --
ak> to get acquainted with uranium and its fusion process. You make a
ak> stockpile of uranium 235. The atoms divide and produce neutrons, that
ak> again divide atoms. The more uranium the quicker the chain reactions
ak> is. The most difficult process, IMHO, is getting U235 fuel itself --
ak> to separate U235 from U238. The atomic fusion reactor has decelerator
ak> rods to slow down the fusion reaction and to prevent the reactor from
ak> blowing up. Second, you repeat all this without decelerator rods.
ak> Nowadays the theory is well known, and the first stage can be even
ak> skipped.
ak> <skipped>
ak>>> Besides, I still don't know a single the USSR's plan to attack the
ak>>> US first with A-boms.
RW>> Of course you don't. You were/aren't privy to such information.
ak> After the dissolving of the USSR and Communist Party all
ak> unpleasant top secrets have become known.
LOL! Wool, over the general public's eyes. Like I said above, you, nor
millions of other Russkies like you aren't privy to that information.
ak> Even those ones that are really painful, like, for instance, killing
ak> of Polish officers captured in 1940. So, if the USSR had planned a
ak> first strike attack on the US it would have been known now.
It is known, just not by the general Russian public.
RW>> Putin might know, since he was a KGB agent for so many years during
RW>> the cold war. Meanwhile, America put missles in silos and pointed
RW>> them at the USSR because there were missles in silos there, pointed
RW>> at the USA... not to mention the years of B-52s flying the northern
RW>> hemisphere with orders to drop Abombs on the USSR, should they
RW>> launch their missles. Meanwhile, the USSR built a huge radar system
RW>> that was so RF dirty, it interupted communications all over the
RW>> world like a woodpecker bird pecking on the atmosphere.
ak> There was time when the USSR had no atomic weapon, but it was on
ak> the verge of its creating.
In 1945...
ak> Exactly then the US did plan atomic bombardments of the USSR.
Wrong again. That is just more Communist/KGB propaganda to turn russkies
against the USA.
ak> The US was afraid that the USSR could obtain nuclear weapon, too.
We had no doubt, since the USSR captured nearly all of the German
scientists working on German nuclear bombs...it was no coincidence that
the US got the cream of the crop, as they were mostly Jews and escaping to
the US was their best move. If they went to the USSR, they would have
suffered the same fate in a Soviet gulag just as many of them did in
Germany. Meanwhile, the foreign nuclear scientists the US had, recruited
other German scientists from behind the lines in Germany. Too bad we
didn't get the best rocket scientists, as we would have beaten y'all into
space too.
Tenga un gran dia!
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