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Skriven 2013-11-03 17:03:09 av Bart Verhaeghe (2:292/907)
  Kommentar till text 11095 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: US bashing?
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Hello Lee.

03 Nov 13 02:16, you wrote to me:

 LL> Hello Bart,

 LL> [..]

 WD>>> The direction such a country moves towards is theoretically
 WD>>> decided in elections where the winners try to form a coalition
 WD>>> and go forward with their programme.

 LL> The USA does not have a parliamentary system.  Nor does it want to
 LL> have a parliamentary system.  The USA has a federalist system, with
 LL> a republican form of government.

 yes they have.
 that's what I mean where we need to go to this system.

 WD>>> If a person has strong opinions, then he/she should vote
 WD>>> accordingly.

 WD>>> As it is now, Bart Verhaeghe is a notorious non-voter.

 BV>> the american system might not be bad for us.

 LL> The USA has a system that works for the USA.
 LL> France has a system that works for France.
 LL> China has a system that works for China.

 LL> Imposing one country's system on another country's system
 LL> does not work.  Whatever system a country has should come from
 LL> the people of that country.  That is the only way a system can
 LL> truly work, otherwise it would not be the "will of the people"
 LL> and would be ignored or opposed by the people themselves.

 but ppl must dear to change the system also.

 BV>> the same system of voting by an electoral college and electors.
 BV>> and if there are only two parties with an electoral college and
 BV>> the electors, they can not fail to form a government.

 LL> The electoral college system is a more modern form of democracy
 LL> than the direct popular vote system.  Of course, there are certain
 LL> advantages and disadvantages, as with any system.  However, an
 LL> electoral college system is designed to act as a stabilizing force,
 LL> keeping extremist elements from taking over.

 that's the system is where I want to go to because as I said with NVA you,
can't speak, they are become too extreme.
 and as NVA and Vlaams Belang get a majority here we go back to,
 the year 1940. because they both are extremist in my eyes.

 LL> It is not really a question of political parties, or the number
 LL> of political parties.  In fact, there is no mention of political
 LL> parties in the US Constitution.  And George Washington was not a
 LL> member of any political party when he chose to be president (some
 LL> folks wanted him to be king - a king for life).

 LL> Until the War of Southern Independence (1861-1865) the USA had
 LL> multi-party elections, including for president.  Only after that
 LL> period of time did Democrats and Republicans conspire to bring
 LL> about a two-party system.  And even then, third-party candidates
 LL> sometimes screw things up by jumping in a presidential race.
 LL> George C. Wallace was the last third-party candidate who upset
 LL> the apple cart by winning electoral votes which otherwise would
 LL> have gone to the Democratic or Republican candidate.  That was
 LL> in 1968.

 very intresting history.
 I did not know this one so it's alway's nice to learn new thing's.

 BV>> the winner takes it all and and can provide the president.

 LL> The USA does not have national or federal elections.  Presidential
 LL> elections are in actually 51 separate elections - 50 state elections
 LL> plus 1 municipal election.  The winning candidate must have a majority
 LL> of electoral votes, not just a plurality.  With a total of 538
 LL> electoral votes in the electoral college, that means a candidate needs
 LL> 270 votes to win.  If no candidate receives enough electoral votes, it
 LL> gets complicated, the presidential vote going to the House where each
 LL> state gets 1 vote, and the vice presidential vote going to the Senate
 LL> where each senator gets 1 vote.  If things are still tied up, it gets
 LL> even more complicated ...

 sure but here we have a lot of party's and they all need to agree to,
 have a goverment that's why it toke a long time last election's.
 so I think the US system is still more easier than our's.


 BV>> and it would save us a whole lot of money.

 LL> Yeah.  You'd only have to bribe a handful of folks rather than
 LL> millions.  :)

 sure we will, because as the poor country's in eastern europe get richer,
 we become more poor, because of the Europeen Union.

 BV>> this is my thought on that.

 LL> I much prefer a benevolent dictatorship.
 LL> With myself as dictator.  :)

 of courrrrrrrse my frrrrriend :-)
 (the dictator movie quote)

greetings,
Bart

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