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Skriven 2013-11-08 18:51:42 av Bart Verhaeghe (2:292/907.1)
  Kommentar till text 11168 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: US bashing?
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Hallo Lee!

07 Nov 13 20:21, Lee Lofaso schrieb an Bart Verhaeghe:

 LL> Hello Bart,

 BV>> yes they have.
 BV>> that's what I mean where we need to go to this system.

 LL> Direct popular vote is more akin to mob rule than what we think
 LL> of today as a modern democracy.  Continuation of that system would
 LL> eventually result in the fragmentation of a country - as what
 LL> happened in the former Yugoslavia.  Spain will probably be next.

 sure it is a mobster rule.
 here will happen the same if we continue to think like this.

 BV>> but ppl must dear to change the system also.

 LL> It all comes down to "what do the people want?"  If a government
 LL> (or party in power) fails to do that or take that into account,
 LL> that government (or party in power) will fail.  Changes will be
 LL> made, either partial or in full, until the people themselves
 LL> are satisfied.  Otherwise, the people will make the change on
 LL> their own - even if it means armed revolution.

 ppl here are to to obedient there can't become a revolution here.

 BV>> that's the system is where I want to go to because as I said with
 BV>> NVA you, can't speak, they are become too extreme.  and as NVA and
 BV>> Vlaams Belang get a majority here we go back to, the year 1940.
 BV>> because they both are extremist in my eyes.

 LL> Extremists?  You want to talk about extremists?  Adolf Hitler and
 LL> his National Socialists came into power as moderates, the people
 LL> of Germany viewing politicians of the dominant parties as being
 LL> extremists.  Can't say that I blame them, as politicians of that
 LL> time were talking AT each other rather than trying to find solutions
 LL> for problems that existed.  Kind of like Democrats and Republicans
 LL> in the USA sniping at each other today.  Hitler was going to be their
 LL> savior, and he was - in a warped way - as he did bring prosperity to
 LL> Germans throughout the Reich ...

 NVA & Vlaams Belang you can compare it with the National Socialists.
 and Filip Dewinter you can compare it wiht Hitler.
 and Bart De Wever you can compare it with Hermann GÖring.
 (even now that Bart De Wever have lost a lot of weight.

 BV>> very intresting history.
 BV>> I did not know this one so it's alway's nice to learn new thing's.

 LL> George C. Wallace was one of a kind.  Won 5 states and 45 electoral
 LL> votes.  No other third party candidate has been able to win a single
 LL> state or electoral vote since.  Had he managed to throw the election
 LL> into the House of Representatives he would have been the kingmaker,
 LL> single-handedly deciding who would become the next president (and
 LL> vice president).  My guess is that he would have named Richard Nixon
 LL> as president and himself as vice president.  And if Nixon had refused
 LL> his offer, Hubert Humphrey would have been elated to accept.  :)

 BV>>> the winner takes it all and and can provide the president.

 LL>>> The USA does not have national or federal elections.  Presidential
 LL>>> elections are in actually 51 separate elections - 50 state elections
 LL>>> plus 1 municipal election.  The winning candidate must have a
 LL>>> majority of electoral votes, not just a plurality.  With a total of
 LL>>> 538 electoral votes in the electoral college, that means a candidate
 LL>>> needs 270 votes to win.  If no candidate receives enough electoral
 LL>>> votes, it gets complicated, the presidential vote going to the House
 LL>>> where each state gets 1 vote, and the vice presidential vote going to
 LL>>> the Senate where each senator gets 1 vote.  If things are still tied
 LL>>> up, it gets even more complicated ...

 sure but they are more honnest election's I think.

 BV>> sure but here we have a lot of party's and they all need to agree to,
 BV>> have a goverment that's why it toke a long time last election's.
 BV>> so I think the US system is still more easier than our's.

 LL> Although today only two parties are dominant in US politics, such
 LL> has not always been the case.  Nor is it the norm.  Third party
 LL> candidates have always been an influence on presidential elections,
 LL> even if a candidate fails to win any states or electoral votes.

 BV>>>> and it would save us a whole lot of money.

 LL>>> Yeah.  You'd only have to bribe a handful of folks rather than
 LL>>> millions.  :)

 sure it is right.

 BV>> sure we will, because as the poor country's in eastern europe get
 BV>> richer, we become more poor, because of the Europeen Union.

 LL> That is why people in the western part of Europe should invest
 LL> in the eastern part of Europe.  But that won't happen.  Do you
 LL> want to know why?  Look at the women.  Especially young women.
 LL> Fewer and fewer young women can be found in the eastern part of
 LL> Europe.  Do you want to know why?  I think you already know the
 LL> answer to that question ...

 indeed but maybe I will invest in a Easter Europe country.
 because i'm tired of all the EU law's they make here.

 I know why, because they are leaving for the EU or other continents.
 but still they have more than you think because there are more born,
 women there than there are man.


 BV>>> this is my thought on that.

 LL>>> I much prefer a benevolent dictatorship.
 LL>>> With myself as dictator.  :)

 BV>> of courrrrrrrse my frrrrriend :-)
 BV>> (the dictator movie quote)

 LL> And what a great guy, beloved by all.  :)


 sure it's one of my favorite movies :)

with best regards,
Bart

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