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Skriven 2014-03-30 18:59:44 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 13238 av Bill McGarrity (5571.2fidonews)
Ärende: Re: War
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Hi, Bill McGarrity!
I read your message from  28.03.2014 17:54
about Re: War.

  ak>> Russian politicians really give up the Crimea and recognized it as
  ak>> a part of the Ukraine. This status-quo would exist indefinably
  ak>> unless the Crimean people decided to take their destiny by
  ak>> themselves.

  BM> The key word you used is "give up". Once they let the Ukraine
  BM> become responsible for Crimea, which in a way they still do even
  BM> after the election, Russia had no business there until 1997 when
  BM> the treaty was signed over Sevastopol granting a "special city"
  BM> title. Let's look at this in a different perspective. The
  BM> Ukrainians decided to walk into Sevastopol and state they now
  BM> annexed the city. What then? The fact still remains Russia and the
  BM> Ukraine had an agreement over Crimea. As I stated previously, IF
  BM> those living in Crimea wanted to secceed, which I ahve no issue
  BM> with btw, it should have been done according to the laws which were
  BM> agreed upon initially.

    According to the Ukrainian constitution any region of the Ukraine
cannot separate without holding an all-Ukraine referendum. It looks like
Scotland, for instance, cannot separate from the UK without all-UK
referendum. But I strongly believe that nobody in Scotland will honor
the opinion of people in England and Wales on the issue of Scotland
independence.

    The similar provisions were in the constitution of the USSR. A
special referendum was held on the issue of the union integrity, and
most people voted for a single state. Therefore, the Ukraine actually
could not declare independence without violating the USSR laws. But when
the center is weak, in chaos, and separatist tendencies in the regions
are strong, the constitution is not an obstacle. In this case it is
better to honor the will of people, who is looking for separation. And
if you try to keep them forcefully you risk get a heavy, bloody
violence.

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  ak>>> opposition did were foolish, crazy, unprofessional and
  ak>>> destroying. They themselves did not understand what could happen
  ak>>> and what a gin appeared from the lamp.

  BM>> You're exactly right but as I stated above, the way it happened
  BM>> seems to be the status quo in the eastern bloc of Europe. Things
  BM>> just explode. As an independent country, the Ukraine had a right
  BM>> to determine its own destiny without interference by Putin.

    As I said it happened like in the USSR. The "central magnet" was
damaged, and the national regions felt no desire to be together, at
least politically. The people who switched off the central magnet should
be blamed for the state collapse.

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  BM>> If after the dust settled, Crimea wanted to hold an election
  BM>> observed by neutral parties, then I don't think anyone in the
  BM>> world would have an issue with that.

    Maybe Putin could act more clever. He could have showed the world
more clearly that Russian troops did not play any role when the Crimean
parliament made its decisions. But he has lost the propaganda war.

  ak>> The new power in Kiev has already made the statement that the
  ak>> Crimea is an inseparable part of the Ukraine. So, people in the
  ak>> Crimea had nothing to wait for. Well, it is very logical -- it is
  ak>> a rule that every country doesn't like separatists.

  BM> Agreed, but as I stated above, things can be done in a responsible
  BM> manner. What if one of either the Russian trained forces or the
  BM> Ukrainian forces opened fire at each other?

    These two armies had nothing to fight for. The Ukraine arm forces had
only one choice: either to sit calm in their barracks or to move all its
military to the street of Crimean towns, to surround the Crimean
parliament etc. But it was impossible to do without killing civilians,
and the Ukrainian army had the strict order not to shoot people. The
Ukraine riot police was in dismay after the Kiev events and could not
help either.

Bye, Bill!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2014
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