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Skriven 2014-04-10 13:15:42 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av mark lewis (1:3634/12.71)
Ärende: Seen-by stripping
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Hello mark,

On Tuesday April 08 2014 12:45, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>>> If an idiot

 ml>> what makes them an idiot?

 MvdV>> Using a method of distribution that was rejected 30 years ago
 MvdV>> as impractical, prohibitively costly and detrimental to the
 MvdV>> smooth operation of the netwok and that was replaced by
 MvdV>> something better and far more effective, that is what makes him
 MvdV>> or her an idiot.

 ml> that's personal opinion...

That doesn't make it any less idiotic.

 MvdV>>> had initiated a bombing run

 ml>> what makes it a bombing run?

 MvdV>> You do not really expect me to waste my time explaining the
 MvdV>> obvious to you do you?

 ml> "bombing runs" have a completely different definition than
 ml> "distributing echomail as netmail"...

A bombing run by another name is still a bombing run.

 MvdV>>> by using that archaic and obsolete manner, then the message
 MvdV>>> would have landed in the recepients metmail folders, not in
 MvdV>>> their echomail folders.

 ml>> possibly...

If it didn't someone has intercepted the netmail. A mortal sin in Fidonet...

 ml>> but some of us actually have software that can easily look at the
 ml>> posts and move them to the proper areas... one only need look for the
 ml>> AREA control line and then move the message as needed...

Yes, I have such softwere. It is called a tosser...

 MvdV>> <sigh> Here you go again with one of those infamous outlandish
 MvdV>> scenarios of yours... :-(

 ml> not at all...

Yes it is. It is ridiculous to propose that is what actually happened.

 ml>  netmgr has had this capability for over a decade... it
 ml> is not the only tool with this ability, either...

Perhaps. But who would knowingly and willingly configure it that way just for
the off-chance that some idiot would try to distribute echomail via netmail?

 MvdV>>> That is not what happened.

 ml>> with the overwhelming amount of information given, it is hard to
 ml>> tell exactly what happened or what is going on and why ;)

 MvdV>> There is this thing called Ockham's razor...

 ml> yes and it cuts both ways...

No, it doesn't...

 ml>  those ignorant of certain methods, procedures and software
 ml> capabilities are cut by it as easily as anyone else...

I am not ignorant of the possibilities.

 MvdV>> Have you not heard that extraordinary claims require
 MvdV>> extraordinary proof? You come up with one of your outlandish
 MvdV>> scenarios. If you want to be taken serious with your crazy
 MvdV>> scenarios, you come up with some indication that it is is more
 MvdV>> that just another one of your fantasies.

 ml> [quote="netmgr.doc"]
 ml>   ECHOCOPY <address> <area> <seenby>
 ml> [...]
 ml>   ECHOMOVE <address> <area> <seenby>
 ml> [...]
 ml> Some other examples of Action statements.
 ml> =========================================
 ml> [...]
 ml> Action EchoCopy 2:281/527.0 #57 281/527 528

 ml> This will copy a message to the Hudson style area, board number 57,

That is not "looking at the AREA control line and moving it to the proper area"
that you mentioned before.

Having said that: if the message contains an AREA control line, how can it be
distributed as netmail in the present configuration of Fidonet? Any system
running a tosser, will consider it ECHOMAIL and treat it accordingly. To
distribute echomail as netmail, the message should NOT have an AREA control
line...

But never mind, your scanario is ridiculous.

 ml> there's one example of what you say is not (and cannot be??) done...

I did not say it can not be done, what I said is "that is not what happened".
And you have provided no proof at all to the contrary.

That is the problem with these outlandish scenarios that you often come up with
to prove a point. It is not that they are completely impossible, but it they
are so unlikely and require too many presumptions to take them seriously.


Cheers, Michiel

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