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Skriven 2014-04-26 07:34:49 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 14629 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
Ärende: JoHo
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On 26/04/14 12:58 AM, TIM RICHARDSON -> DAVID DRUMMOND wrote:

 DD>> Yes - all of those blokes fathering those foetuses should have been
 DD>> sterilised prior to puberty. That would cure the abortion problem real
 DD>> quick.

 TR> So...in other words...you have nothing sensible to contribute to this
 TR> discussion, right?

Just like you.

[...]
 DD>> I am not an ardent supporter of abortion - I am an ardent opposer of
 DD>> people like you trying to use YOUR beliefs to force the actions of other
 DD>> people. Who elected you moral kontroller for the world?

 TR> Nobody! And as usual you make this `about me', because you can't answer
the
 TR> hard questions that come up on this subject.

Not hard questions to me. I accept that abortion is perfectly legal in this
state/country. That some people choose to exercise that legal choice does not
bother me.

 TR> And you STILL haven't answered the question.

Which one?

 TR> But....abortion is a medical procedure that shouldn't be used as the
`go-to'
 TR> birth control method, as it has become. I have a BIG problem with that.

What is your big problem? What do you have against abortion? If the foetus is
unwanted for what ever reason what is the difference.

 TR> I, by myself, can't actually DO anything about it....but I have a big
problem
 TR> with it. Over 50 million aborted babies since Roe v Wade is, to me, an
 TR> indictment of what the moral fiber of America has fallen to.

Abortions happen throughout much of the world - have done for generations.

Also, everyone has there own moral values. Some peoples values allow them to
have abortions. Some do not. Those who have a moral issue with abortion should
probably not participate.

It is a sign of the modern times, may be related to the abandonment of archaic
religious beliefs. People think they have rights and freedoms now.

 TR> But....here's another thing I have a problem with; and I have a RIGHT to
 TR> express this aloud, politic against it if I so choose, and keep reminding
 TR> people of as much as I want:

And others will continue to remind you of how you have no right to demand
others follow your advice.

 TR> Women wanting all sorts of birth control pills available
 TR> over-the-counter is one thing. And women wanting to use `abortion' as a
means of getting rid
 TR> of an> un-wanted pregnancy is another.

That's your opinion - but the fact is that some women do not plan to get
pregnant, and when they inadvertently do abortion is the only way to solve the
issue.

 TR> But, when the cost of either of those are going to be sluffed off onto the
 TR> taxpayer, thats quite another matter. And, as a taxpayer, I have an
absolute
 TR> right to object to being made responsible to pay for either one.

Anti-social bugger!

 TR> Whether or not a woman engages in sexual activity, or how often she does
so,
 TR> is none of mine or anyone elses business.

But only if she participates in a manner YOU approve of?

 TR> But, if she's having an abortion because she didn't have the sense or
 TR> responsibility to utilize the MANY methods of birth control that are
easily
 TR> and cheaply available to her, and the cost of that abortion is coming
 TR> out of MY pocket, that MAKES it my business.

It's called "being a member of society" - you help each other out.

 TR> And if some gal like Sandra Fluke, is trotted out in front of TV cameras,
in a
 TR> Congressional hearing, and is making a case for the cost of HER birth
control
 TR> also coming out of MY pocket...that ALSO makes it my business!

And your medications are part of everyone else's business?

 TR> These leftist politicians want to make everything free to THEIR favored 
aspect
 TR> of the electorate. Free this...free that....free healthcare...free higher
 TR> education....free birth control...free housing....free
abortions...everything
 TR> for free!

And the anti-social rightist do not want to help anyone - unless there is a
pecuniary interest in it for themselves.

 TR> But its NOT free. Because at some point....somebody has to pony up the 
money
 TR> for it. And that `somebody' shouldn't have to be the taxpayers.

That's what you pay tax for, the benefit of the whole society.

 TR> Is it so much to ask that women take responsibility for what they're
doing?
 TR> They want to `be all they can be'. Fine. But not ay MY expense.

Then do not pay tax!

 TR> As for abortion....it is my opinion that there will come a day when those
50
 TR> million and counting abortions will come back to haunt this country.

Why - do you see the population dropping below viable levels? I'm sure the
Mexicans/Peurto Ricans etc. will help with that problem.

-- 
Regards
David

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