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  Kommentar till text 15689 av Jon Justvig (1:124/25)
Ärende: Fidonews Vol 31 no 21 Page: 3
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Greetings Jon!

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This page should have been called; Fidonet - by John Ramble on and
on...while saying nothing intelligible.


 JJ>     Fidonet / Potty Mouth Net
 JJ>     John Guillory 1:396/60.0

 JJ>     I'm really not sure where, when, how, or even why the echos of
 JJ>     fidonet have somehow managed to go to the gutter.  During the
 JJ>     late 80's, fidonet was pretty much ran by the younger crowd
 JJ>     consisting of individuals normally under 18 years of age.  Yes,
 JJ>     modern sysops have changed.  The average sysop is the younger
 JJ>     kids that ran BBSs in the late 80's, now more mature and doing so
 JJ>     in the way they remembered it being.  I'm not really sure when it
 JJ>     happened.  I do know a few months back, it didn't seem so bad.
 JJ>     Some how, it seems as though the norm has been to use foul
 JJ>     language and not care who you offend.  It's as if fidonet has
 JJ>     stooped to the 'me attitude' everyone else is going to in the
 JJ>     United States.  There was a time when Racial, derogitory,
 JJ>     insulting comments wasn't allowed in any echomail area.  Now, it
 JJ>     seems they have been encouraged!  Use of the 'f word' once was a
 JJ>     guarantee to get you kicked out of fidonet and banned from every
 JJ>     echo in existance and future existance.  Now, it seems to give
 JJ>     you bragging rights.

 JJ>     Why has the policy changed?  Perhaps one is because we allowed
 JJ>     the entire structure of fidonet to be under mined and devalued.
 JJ>     By relaxing the very principles of fidonet, we've lowered the
 JJ>     quality of fidonet.  There's a comment about wearing too many
 JJ>     hats in policy4, and I presume policy5 as well.  There where
 JJ>     really good reasons why the founding authors of fidonet put it in
 JJ>     there!  Just as there was very good reasons why the founding
 JJ>     fathers of the United States determined that checks and balances
 JJ>     was necessary, the founding authors of fidonet determined that
 JJ>     certain pratices was necessary.  Fidonet is a hobby.  As such,
 JJ>     most of the people running fidonet have other things to do
 JJ>     besides sit at their computer 24 hours a day ensuring that things
 JJ>     move smoothly.  I find it interesting that the average
 JJ>     businessman knows that if you spread your duties out it makes
 JJ>     things a lot easier on yourself, rather than expecting to do
 JJ>     everything on your own.  A lot of talk lately about the nodes in
 JJ>     fidonet that aren't really nodes, just taking up space in the
 JJ>     nodelist for nodes that used to exist.  That's credited to either
 JJ>     lazy coordinators, or coordinators wearing too many hats, or
 JJ>     both.  If your a NC and a RC, it gets a little hard to know if
 JJ>     every net and every node in your net is still active and
 JJ>     adhearing to every guideline that the ZC tells you to ensure is
 JJ>     in place.  Not to mention, the more duties you place on your
 JJ>     self, the more burned out you'll get, which leads you to becoming
 JJ>     lazy and relaxed at doing your job.  But its not just the NC's,
 JJ>     RC's, etc.  that are getting lazy and wearing too many hats.
 JJ>     Moderators have for years desired to "Collect" echos.  They feel
 JJ>     it's their duty to collect as many echo's, because they're saving
 JJ>     fidonet!  By claiming an echo that no one post in, call it their
 JJ>     echo, then post a few messages to keep it on the backbone.  The
 JJ>     big problem pointed out by many when they first started doing
 JJ>     this is the fact that if an echo had no messages beyond the rules
 JJ>     post and the absolute minimum post by the moderators to keep the
 JJ>     echo alive, then why keep it on the backbone?  Sysop's that see
 JJ>     it listed will add it to their feed and then when they see its
 JJ>     dead just remove it.  No one wants to talk to their self!
 JJ>     They're not doing fidonet or anyone else any favors.  In fact,
 JJ>     let's consider the average collector.  Suppose he has 4000 echos
 JJ>     he moderates.  Now, I ask of you.  You know how many echos you
 JJ>     read every day, and you know that some echos have a lot of mail,
 JJ>     and others have very little each day.  Some have none.  If you
 JJ>     was a moderator of 4000 echos, would you have time to read
 JJ>     through every single message in all 4000 echos, and be able to
 JJ>     remember every person you had to ask to not post offensive stuff
 JJ>     in, etc.  It's about equivilant to changing to using just a
 JJ>     "National Police Department", and dropping all City, County, and
 JJ>     State police, then expecting 10-12 police officers to patrol the
 JJ>     entire country.  I'm betting there'd be a lot of places that'd
 JJ>     start to have a HUGE problem with violance!  Not any different in
 JJ>     echomail.  One person should not be expected to police the entire
 JJ>     net!  A lot of people don't want to listen to the gripes,
 JJ>     complaints, etc.  and just as well be a sysop, rather than take
 JJ>     part in the day to day operations of the net, and that's fine.
 JJ>     But, when it comes to one person doing everything, or you taking
 JJ>     part and doing your job as a member of the network, you should
 JJ>     step up, or don't complain when things are not ran right!  If you
 JJ>     don't vote, don't offer to help manage things, and don't offer to
 JJ>     take part in anything beyond just keeping your system running
 JJ>     enough to be able to read mail; then you really aren't helping
 JJ>     the net much, are you?  Wake up Fidonet!  Take back your net,
 JJ>     before it's completely gone, and moderators, do you really prefer
 JJ>     the potty mouth, name calling, and biggetry that's going on in
 JJ>     the echo mail areas?  There was a time when moderators prided
 JJ>     theirselves on not allowing garbage like that in fidonet!  If
 JJ>     we're going to allow it, we might as well just start up our own
 JJ>     news server, take down the BBS and allow the world to spam our
 JJ>     areas!


 JJ>     FIDONEWS  Vol 31 No 21       Page  3         May 26, 2014


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