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Skriven 2014-06-23 14:51:27 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 16292 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
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Greetings TIM!

 TR> -=> Roy Witt wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

 RW>> As long as you remain silent in this and every other echo I visit,
 RW>> you'll get dismissed when it is convenient for me to do so, not on
 RW>> your wish.

 BM> <N>ext.....

 TR> Bill recently made the claim that he `only goes by what the bible
 TR> says...

Proving that he doesn't know shit about it.

 TR> Well...the bible pretty well condemns homosexuality in clear terms.

Yeup.

 TR> There's a guy who tries to `clarify' what the scripture teaches on
 TR> the subject of male-male sodomy, and female-female sodomy.

No clarification required, if you can read English.

 TR> But all he really does is cloud the issue into a `justification' for
 TR> male-male sodomy and female-female sodomy `being ok'

That's for his own good. Otherwise, he'd be feeling guilty about his
homo activities.

 TR> ....`cause the bible was *really* talking about THAT certain time
 TR> (biblical times) and THAT certain people (the Israelites).

But if you're a church going person and listen to the preacher or his
elders, you're told that the bible as written still applies today.

 TR> He goes on to make the claim that `well....Jesus never said anything
 TR> against male-male sodomy or female-female sodomy!'

Maybe, but Jesus did say that he did not come to do away with the law, but
to uphold it. So if it was a sin to be a homosexual at anytime before
Jesus then you're held to the law. If you do so after his life on earth,
then you're still a sinner, as he came to uphold the law, not do away with
it. Bill loses on both counts.

 TR> The simple answer to THAT is Jesus didn't feel he had to! It had
 TR> already been covered by the Old Testament!

And he came to uphold that law.

 TR> He then goes on to say...`well...it NEVER says anything about `women'
 TR> homosexuals!

Well, women were 2nd class citizens at the time and remained so for
centuries after because they were the original sinners. It was only in the
20th century after that when women got 'equal' rights to men.

 TR> But it does.

 TR> In Romans 1:26-27:

 TR> "Even their women exchange natural relations for unnatural ones."

Yeup.

 TR> The act of sodomy, whether male-male sodomy or female-female sodomy,
 TR> is a sin by Christian standards.

 TR> `Christianity' is defined by the bible, NOT some sodomite religious
 TR> fanatic, or sodomite organization. Or by some egotistical Roman
 TR> emperor who, around 400 years after the death of Jesus, just makes
 TR> up his own dogma and imposes it on the `Catholic' church (emperor
 TR> Constantine).

At least the Catholics had a reason for that; Peter the 'rock' of Christ.

 TR> `Christianity' was defined by Jesus himself who the New Testament
 TR> teaches was `The Christ'.

 TR> Are there `sodomite Christians'? is a question asked often. Can a
 TR> `Christian also be a sodomite'?

They can, but they should alter their activities to exclude it. I think it
was Christ that pointed that out.

 TR> The answer is; there are many Christians who `struggle' with
 TR> tendencies of sodomy. And that `struggle' may be hard.

Maybe.

 TR> But committing the ACT of sodomy, whether male-male sodomy or female-
 TR> female sodomy, is SIN in the eyes of God. There is no `toleration'
 TR> for it in the eyes of God OR His Church. Therefore...yes, the bible
 TR> DOES say something about female sodomites. It is also condemned as
 TR> a sin in the eyes of God. Therefore...there is no such thing as a
 TR> `Christian' sodomite.

 TR> Being `tempted' is one thing...actually committing the act, is the
 TR> sin.

 TR> Its like being strongly tempted to steal money from a hiding place
 TR> you know your mother or grandmother keeps money hidden.

 TR> You KNOW its there. You SEE her add money to it and put it back there
 TR> all the time.

 TR> You don't TAKE the money...but you really really WANT to. Are you a
 TR> thief? No...you're sorely TEMPTED to be....but you don't take the
 TR> money. You overcome your urge to steal and you remain an honest
 TR> person.

Amen.

 TR> Its the act of TAKING that which doesn't belong to you that puts you
 TR> in the category of a thief.

 TR> And when you become a `thief'...you can no longer reside in the
 TR> category of `an honest man'.

But, you can rise above it and enter heaven.

 TR> When sodomites commit the act of `sodomy' they can no longer claim to
 TR> be an adherent of Christ. Christ strongly preached the teachings of
 TR> God's Word. He made mention of the Old Scriptute and the importance
 TR> of following its teachings quite often.

 TR> Bill `just goes by the bible'. So naturally, we KNOW Bill is well
 TR> aware that there is no such thing as a Christian who also engages
 TR> in the practice of sodomy, either male `suck-dickery', or `female
 TR> `chick-lickery'. If they practice it...its nob-biblical, and its
 TR> certainly non-Christian.

 TR> And Bill `just goes by the bible'.

If he'd go by his shrink, I'm sure he'd be welcome.


    Have a day!

         R\%/itt - K5RXT

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